I recall seeing Ford stamped on some of the filters at a minimum. Problem is the cross referencing which Ford product shares the same.

 

My 1984 Porsche has factory original parts with the Ford Stamp, but these stamps are faced inwards where the parts mount, so you only see it if you take the car apart.

My "german" cars also have parts manufactured local to me in North Carolina, just a few miles away.

I have only replaced a tail light on the Xk in a year and a half and 18K miles, so I have no personal experience on the parts.

Manufacturers can have their own part numbers for what are interchangeable parts between makes and models. I can direct fit VW part #'s onto my Porsche, or should a VW owner of similar era be crazy, they could buy some parts at extra expense from Porsche.

Automobile manufacture is an international endeavor, ever since the U.K. repealed laws restricting their automobiles to only parts made in the U.K., it has been open season.

Only a few specialty made cars might actually be from a particular country in their entirety, I am sure that our Jaguar's are not.


A automobile manufacturer might contract a specific design from an independent source, the automobile manufacturer might use that contracted design on multiple brands that they own, or even in an exchange of IP, ones t hey do not own.

This can lead to what is essentially a Ford part, under the name of an independent company, or the brand of another auto manufacturer entirely not owned by Ford; yet it is in essence, a Ford part, designed to Ford's specifications for a specific Ford model. Other models, and brands might end up using it as well under other names, but the heritage of the part includes Ford. The mere ownership of Jaguar by Ford infuses the XK with a Ford heritage.

 

My BMW 328i has a chevy chevette transmission.

 

Jaguar was incredibly cunning...and its an quite an interesting story
When Ford sold Mazda in 2008, Mazda CEO said it was "Godsend". They were incredibly happy to have escaped the death spiral of Ford. Indeed the Mazdas made today are so much better under different ownership. They too said it nearly destroyed the Mazda culture.

What Jaguar did against vehement protest from their then owners Ford was they requested to lease space and equipment from Ford WITHIN the Ford factory. Ford was baffled because to them it made more sense to simply supply Jaguar parts that they could make cheaper and better. But Jaguar insisted and got their way.

So it would make sense if Jaguar used some of the ancillaries and accessory items like the oil filter cap...or most likely the mold making shop inside Ford where the mold was made for this casting used FoMoCo stamps.

As you can tell by the oil filter housing or your wheel nuts, Jaguar tends to overbuild and inefficiently. Both of which go against the Ford culture.

Plus shipping parts from Mexico to UK would also be too expensive for Ford to approve.

 

BTW I have nothing against Ford at all.
In UK they gave us some amazing cars. Sierra Cosworth, Escort RS etc.

Allz I was pointing out was that every 'notable' manufacturer Ford has owned has ended in divorce. Aston, JLR, Mazda, Volvo. And those spouses went on to produce better children with amateurs in auto manufacturing; than Ford is doing. It makes you reconsider who the benefit of the doubt should be given to.

 

Pretty much, literally, everything else.

 

That being said, modern Jaguars are so much better reliability-wise as a result of Ford's influence. Even you said all the companies you list went on to make better, more reliable cars.

 

Ford gave everyone who bought one of their brands a total lay up. They did the grunt work and Tata and like just ran from third to home base on a winning game.

 

May I propose something preposterous. To which I am open to disbelief and contention. Because going against one's own beliefs is the hardest things for humans to do- if not impossible. Its like a failsafe on a torpedo.

Jaguar never really made any unreliable cars.

Look our forums they are littered with cars that have done over 200,000 miles. More pertinently, every Jaguar ever made has been worth saving. All but one. (we will get back to that). Jaguar never made vehicles that could have been relied upon as truck, vans, or cheap modes of transportation. They have only made exotic luxury sports cars- to which end they were extraordinarily reliable.

The one exception to all the above is the X-Type. The only car that actually had Ford DNA, Mentality and Ford drivetrain
Here is Edmunds 100 worst cars of all time. Ford has made the list several times, as have many others, Jaguar only made it once- it was with the Ford drivetrain.
https://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/...-all-time.html

p.s. I was misquoted. "Even you said all the companies you list went on to make better, more reliable cars" yes but the rest of the sentence is crucial. 'than Ford is able to do'

Volvo, Mazda, Jaguar, Land Rover, all have better luxury suv lineup than Ford. That should not be possible. Incidentally, its the hottest most profitable segment in autos- and Ford has no solution. Food for thought my distinguished colleagues.

 

Another jolting paradigm shift...in the form of a question to ourselves, to be able to see past the propaganda.

Forget SUVs

This manufacturing giant who can teach luxury-sports car makers the art of luxury-sport car manufacturing- how come it has NEVER been able to make a luxury-sports car for itself??

Meaning it cant compete with and has no answer for:
BMW 5,3,4,6,7
Audi, 4-8
Lexus- several models
Infinity-several models
Acura- Several model
Cadillac- ATS, CTS
Porsche Panamera
Mercedes, several models
Jaguar XE, XF, Ftype, XJS

Here is the kicker- Hyundai's luxury dept Genesis, has more notable luxury model lineup. And outsells Ford.

Look for yourself. Ford is absent from this category almost entirely
Luxury Cars - Reviews & Ratings - Motor Trend

It dares us to ask honestly- has Ford ever succeeded in Luxury Performance? Can the corporate culture that invented cheap & standardized every do the opposite? much less Help luxury car manufacturers.

VW/Audi/Porsche had no such trouble with Bentley.

 

Since Ford never tried teaching anyone anything except how to improve reliability by using tested and proven parts...
... what exactly is your POINT?

 

Agree. Ford doesn't make luxury vehicles and I don't think they ever said they do.

That Genesis though. Very nice IMO and has a great warranty.

 

That is exactly the path to mediocrity- that no one was able to save Ford from- not Jaguar, not Aston, nor Volvo.

Reliability is very easy to do- just buy parts from proven folks like ZF and Harmon....

Creativity, which Ford lacks and Jaguar has, is clearly the harder thing to do.

Ford desperately still need to be saved, it has no luxury, performance luxury and suv lineup. It cant possibly save some other company- it would bring it down to its level.

 

Thats a HUGE problem when Mercedes Benz is selling 27000 cars per month in US and then there is everyone else on the list.

That tells us that Ford's inability to capitalize and compete in the Premium marketplace is clearly a bigger limitation than other manufacturers being able to produce reliable cars.

Which further tells us, no way could Ford have ever contributed anything to a Premium car manufacturer- not even adequate money.

 

How is it they stay in business?!?!?!?!

Good grief man, luxury cars are not their forte. Lincoln is their "luxury" division and has been successful enough in the past. Ford does very well selling small & mid-size cars and *gasp* pickup trucks.

Jaguar and others have benefited from their influence, Jaguar alone for the exorcism of anything having to do with Lucas "electrical" systems.

 

"How is it they stay in business?!?!?!?!"

That's an important point. My observation is by staying out of Premium and sticking to mediocrity.
They could not even compete with GM for the fullsize SUV market.

Here are the sales numbers- do you see the problem and the trend. Now, if they cant help themselves with their manufacturing model- how can they help others.

1997[36] 26,834
1998 43,859
1999[37] 39,250
2000 37,923
2001[38] 31,759
2002[39] 30,613
2003 38,742
2004[40] 36,398
2005 25,844
2006[41] 23,947
2007 24,050
2008[42] 14,836
2009[43] 8,057
2010[44] 8,245
2011[45] 8,018
2012[46] 8,371
2013[47] 8,613
2014[48] 10,433
2015[49] 11,964
2016[50] 10,421

And we are just talking a good ole large American SUV. We are not talking Range Rover. Seems like its Ford who needs the influence.

Please contrast open-mindedly what GM's numbers for the competing car was.

"On August 17, 2015, GM confirmed plans to increase production on its large SUVs, especially on the Suburban/Yukon XL, due to lower gas prices and a higher demand for the vehicles. The move also resulted in its Arlington Assembly adding more hours and increasing its production from 48,000 SUVs to 60,000 based on the expanding hours and added Saturday overtime shifts."

 

A carefully optioned Ford F-150 is better apportioned than the base XK/XKR in interior appointments. They actually do make some absolutely fantastically comfortable/luxuries vehicles. By hiding under the name of Ford, it allows the discerning buyer to have an incredible interior, with the utility of a pick up truck.

it is quite a popular option for the wealthy in my part of the country, and Chevrolet also has similar offerings.

The interior of the XK/XKR is a bit crude compared to a Ford F150 optioned for comfort and luxury. If you want "understated opulence" than Ford offers it.

Luxury optioned Ford F150 interior.

 

You absolutely nailed it!
Ford provides opulence and luxury to the discerning pickup truck buyer.

But cannot compete with Chevrolet at the SUV level, nationwide or even worldwide

Why is that?

(I always stay at a Holiday Inn- its "understated opulence" compared to the Ritz Carlton at Laguna Nigel)

 

P.s. I totally respect that luxury is entirely in the eye of the beholder.
For instance. The video you posted of the dark gentleman with the lambo doors on the Caprice- he thinks his car is better that your Jag. And you think that a pickup truck is better than your Jag.

However, I do side with him when it comes to understanding opulence, he gets it more than you because he has the frame of mind that allows him to standout- you can only blend-in with a pickup truck. That mentality could never handle a Rolls Royce.

 

Shemp and Queen and Country,
I would suggest that you go sit in a new Black Label Lincoln Continental or MKZ or MKX, before you say that Ford doesn't produce luxury cars. I have three Jaguars, and I dearly love both of my XKRs, however, I have never really thought my X150 was particularly luxurious nor interesting on its interior. It is positively ancient and spartan compared to our MKX. Do I care, of course not, because I bought my XKR for its ride and performance, its stance and its beauty, but not its luxury. For that matter, I've never really liked BMW's take on luxury either. Ford, as well as any modern automaker, has the capability of building high end automobiles, they choose to build the cars they want based on perceived sales ability. Sometimes they break out such as the Ford GT, and throw out all of the stops.