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Old 08-31-2017, 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by steve_k_xk

Exhaust mods are very common heck even Ferrari, Lamborghini and GTRs get these kind of mods done.
But you wont take one crosscountry unless you want your dental fillings replaced.
 
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Old 08-31-2017, 06:52 PM
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I know PK really loves his XK and hit that spot where the flames need a little rekindling.
Am I wrong in assuming that none of us really ever use the 510hp we have??
I would have to go out of my way to that, there are zero opportunities where I live.
I put mine to the floor at least once a trip if I have room. Anything less and the Gods of speed frown upon you. Anything more and the law does. Just took it out to see if today's wheel bearing replacement was good and my little 420 hp will pull very hard up through 70+ from a U turn. Not mind numbing like I'd expect 510 to but pretty darned good. This winters project of getting an actual posi rear should make it so much more fun below 50 mph where it wants to spin.

What about if Stuart of AP Tuning could fabricate a custom valve for his exhaust, where he can bypass the muffler just for sound and fun?
It sounds really, really bad, trust me. I will take some of what I said about the stock box back. It does sound pretty good at WOT, subdued but good.
 
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Old 08-31-2017, 07:37 PM
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I have the Mina backend system on my XKR which came with the Performance Active Exhaust system. The car has more punch and a somewhat deeper louder tone. I will try to record it over the weekend.
 
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Old 08-31-2017, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by mosesbotbol
Maybe a pulley and tune is more up your alley along with 200 cell cats?
Was thinking about that. But that's always raised a question for me: since a pulley swap is relatively simple (and I understand the basic physics of why it would help)... why doesn't Jaguar put the smaller pulley in there to begin with? I've heard it's not great for engine longevity.

And thanks, Q&C, for the shout-out about my affection for the XK. It's true.

Oh, and my top speed in the car so far is 142 MPH. I-15, central Utah. Some kid in a new Camaro SS trying to show me what's what, and we can't have that. (But I gotta say, that SS was fast as F***). And it was me, not my XKR, that begged off at that point. I'm sure it could have hit the 155 limiter no problem. And as I've posted elsewhere, if you live anywhere in the LA/OC area and you haven't done Angeles Crest on an early weekday evening, you really haven't lived. Get some Asian kid with a BMW i8 who knows that road better than you do and you learn pretty quick what your car can do. (Or what you're personally willing to do.)

So yes I want it a little faster. Guess I'd love XKR-S numbers without the look, which I'm not fond of.
 
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I think I would rather see how much power the ECU is pulling out of the combo before changing stuff for performance. I've noticed that mine absolutely love cool temps. Get it below 70 and it's an animal. Over 85 and it turns into a much tamer dog. I think the ECU has a very tame built in safety curve and with a little heat it pulls a ton of power out.

A while back Mandrake was having a conversation about the merits of different I/C combos to keep the intake air cooler. I think I would pursue that before exhaust for performance. Exhaust tone is the soul of the car. Few folks see how well it performs but they certainly hear it.
 
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Old 08-31-2017, 08:05 PM
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Interesting about temps. I was also thinking as I was driving up above 7000 feet how altitude might also affect all this.

With you 100% about the exhaust note. My great fear on an exhaust tweak would be that I wouldn't like what I ended up with, and I imagine that wouldn't be easy to undo.

I, uhm.... am not quite sure what you mean by an "I/C combo."
 
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Old 08-31-2017, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ralphwg
I have the Mina backend system on my XKR which came with the Performance Active Exhaust system. The car has more punch and a somewhat deeper louder tone. I will try to record it over the weekend.
Where are you in the LA area? I can listen in person.
 
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Originally Posted by pk4144
Interesting about temps. I was also thinking as I was driving up above 7000 feet how altitude might also affect all this.

With you 100% about the exhaust note. My great fear on an exhaust tweak would be that I wouldn't like what I ended up with, and I imagine that wouldn't be easy to undo.

I, uhm.... am not quite sure what you mean by an "I/C combo."
Intercooler.

It runs the compressed(heated) air through a heat exchange to bring it back to static temperature.
 
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Old 08-31-2017, 09:39 PM
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pk144,
I also have a 2010 XKR with the Mina exhaust, and I added the x-pipe. I find the Mina exhaust considerably quieter than the oem back box (which I might go back to), however, the addition of the x-pipe gave the sound a deeper, richer, tone. I did the pulley/tune a while back, and read many posts that said that the x-pipe addition was the way to derive the extra horsepower supposedly generated by the pulley/tune. I'm not sure it feels any stronger, but my ego does! And by the way, Ralph's car does sound different than mine, louder and a bit raspier, not quite sure why. I got together with Ralph this afternoon. You ought to join us sometime.
 

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Originally Posted by steve_k_xk
I don't get why PK is getting crucified for wanting more punch out of his xkr .

Exhaust mods are very common heck even Ferrari, Lamborghini and GTRs get these kind of mods done.
No crucifying is intended. However an exhaust mod is just that... a mod to the exhaust. That won't give him what he is asking for. So there are two choices left: extremely expensive modifications or just buy the Vette.
 
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I realize that we are a small community helping each other, so here is my contribution.
We should really question our expectations to come to a satisfying answer.
As a luxury sports/ refined sports, 300hp would be a bonus. 400 a barn-stormer, there are many great cars that have lived with that, think of the many Ferraris, or even Aston.
Then there is the lightweight body and the insane lowend torque that ferrari et al could only dream of. Its twice as fast as an A8 and even corvette in the 50-70mph. I.e. its twice as fast in overtaking. The exhaust doesnt sound like a BMW, it sounds like a reserved cat. It wont embarrass you when you drive in a funeral procession, or sneaking in late at night. If you want more than this, where will you draw the line of happiness. Many would be happy with the looks alone.

Its stealth luxury and sports.
 
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Granted yes exhaust mods lead to more noise (free flowing cats / non oem mufflers) etc ..however what is wrong with modifying a XKR jaguar with XKR-S parts I don't see an issue with that and PK would be guaranteed an extra 40hp
 

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Here's a 5.0L XKR fitted with an XKR-S exhaust (rear muffler and mid section with x-pipe), 200 cell cats and a custom tune (guess who from) it's making around about 600HP and goes like stink, not to mention it bangs & pops like an F-Type.


While it might not be everyone's cup of tea, this is an example of doing it right...
 
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I thought that the X pipe alone gave a marginal but noticeable increase in power. but it could have been imaginitis.

i'd start there. It was essentially stock for the XKR-S, so they did it for something.
 
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Originally Posted by pk4144

Oh, and my top speed in the car so far is 142 MPH. I-15, central Utah.
After like 110, my XK started to feel a light in the front end, does anyone else notice that when getting their car up there in speed?
 
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Originally Posted by mosesbotbol
After like 110, my XK started to feel a light in the front end, does anyone else notice that when getting their car up there in speed?
110 I do regularly, it doesnt require more than 80hp. No my car is firmly planted and at 110 it may as well be doing 70 in a toyota/lexus. It cruises at 110. Thats on michelin tires.
 
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Rock solid up to 150. Actually didn't feel much different vs. 100 mph. Hands off steering wheel solid.
 
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Old 09-01-2017, 01:39 PM
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Driving through Kansas/Oklahoma/New Mexico I noticed how incredibly easy it was to drift up to 100. (Dangerous, given the cops.) Felt rock solid. At 140 I was driving dead straight, still felt good but I didn't go through a single turn so I couldn't comment on handling.
 
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Originally Posted by Queen and Country
pk,
In the old days exhaust systems were very primitive and not designed with the aid of computer calculations. Plus many corners were cut to save money.

The XKR active exhaust is simply the best that there is. Thus changes can be made but only at the cost of something else. It becomes quite tricky when you do grand touring because what sounds good on short city hops can make long trips very fatiguing.

exactly the situation I ran into when modifying mine. Gutted the 2nd half of the cats, did bigger diameter pipe from the cats back and opened up the rear box a bit die the larger pipe. Deleted the valves as well....it's purrrrfect....a joy to hear when throttle is down, no drone and almost perfectly silent when cruising highway speeds....almost wish it was a bit louder as my tires are louder than the exhaust at cruising speed on certain roads
 
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Hendo what do you mean opened up the rear box

Correct me if I'm wrong the cats are a dual set up containing a 400 cell & 600 cell ?
Which one did you eliminate/gut
 



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