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Have all cars a twin out there?

Old Mar 27, 2016 | 04:18 AM
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As we are all sick hearing that the xk is like the aston in looks, i was just looking through pictures on the F-Type members page, stunning looking cars. Then came up with a comparison, well from side view these two look similar, the F-Type and the mazda MX5, looks like if the front and rear of the mazda was stretched a bit they would be even more identical.
 
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Old Mar 27, 2016 | 04:43 AM
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Have a friend that is going to love that comparison, as he awaits delivery of his MX5 next month.
 
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Old Mar 27, 2016 | 10:43 PM
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S2000 could pass as the F-type's predecessor
 
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Old Mar 28, 2016 | 12:07 PM
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I think the S2000 sits VERY unique in car design's, probably why it still commands $$$ even used.
 
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Old Mar 28, 2016 | 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by steve_k_xk
S2000 could pass as the F-type's predecessor
Yea i viewed that too. The S2000 is one one the best cars ever made, will the f-type be held in the same esteem as it after years, the S2000 has been around for a while now.
 
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Old Mar 28, 2016 | 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Tervuren
I think the S2000 sits VERY unique in car design's, probably why it still commands $$$ even used.
A buddy of mine has one of these and I think it is OK but something I wouldn't buy. It reminds me of a stretched Miata which I'm not thrilled over. We all have our various opinions and none of them are good or bad but just a matter of personal preference.
 
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Old Mar 28, 2016 | 06:43 PM
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+1 on the Honda being okay, but as with the F-Type, something I could not get comfortable in no matter how I adjusted the driver's seating position. As the British would say, it was 'not my cup of tea.'

It is all very subjective and personal choice.
 
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Old Mar 28, 2016 | 09:20 PM
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Ah the infamous Germans original creativity- and truth in engineering.
 
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Old Mar 28, 2016 | 10:31 PM
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Comparing ANY Jaguar to a (ugh) miata is like comparing a sapphire to a wet dog turd.
 
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Old Mar 29, 2016 | 03:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Queen and Country
Ah the infamous Germans original creativity- and truth in engineering.
Your montage proves how timeless and contemporary the jaguar design is
 
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Old Mar 29, 2016 | 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by steve_k_xk
Your montage proves how timeless and contemporary the jaguar design is
Speaking as a student of design, there has not been a design more copied in elements. Even the new ford mustang has copied the elements of Jaguar XK. They went from flat sides and square rear window to flared haunches, and tapered window of the e-type.

Ferrari copied Jaguar. There is a great deal of history about it on the web. I will post the pictures someday. Its well known in the design circles that Ferrari would still be making boxes if not for Jaguar's Malcolm Sayer ( the man who designed our car in essence) Enzo did not believe aerodynamics had anything to do with cars, till a Sayer designed aerodynamic car handed him his hat at the races. He said 'aerodynamics Sayer pioneered car aerodynamics singlehandedly- without wind tunnels and any existing science. The fact that his elements can be used today is awe-inspiring.
 
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Old Mar 29, 2016 | 11:41 AM
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Here is an article that discusses how Jaguar made Ferrari.
What they dont show you is that one year before the Etype Ferrari was making boxes. After the Etype, the Ferrari looked just like it- speaking in terms of design elements. And this from a company that said they dont believe in aerodynamics.
How Jaguar spurred Ferrari?s crowning glory - wheels.aeWheels magazine UAE's only English weekly motoring magazine, giving you the best car news first
 
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Old Mar 29, 2016 | 11:58 AM
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Not sure I agree about Ferrari 'making boxes' before the arrival of the E-Type.

Consider the 1957 250 Testa Rossa as an example. A rather expensive example as well.

Let me google that for you
 
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Originally Posted by NBCat
Not sure I agree about Ferrari 'making boxes' before the arrival of the E-Type.

Consider the 1957 250 Testa Rossa as an example. A rather expensive example as well.

Let me google that for you
Do you mean the one that looked like the 1957 Jaguar XKSS. You would not believe it is in the news today as being the world's first super car
Jaguar is Reviving 'The World's First Supercar'

But that wanst a copy, they were forced to make that shape cause all race cars were shaped like that. Look at what Ferrari made one year before the e-type and one year after.



After seeing the Jaguar Etype

 
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Old Mar 29, 2016 | 12:23 PM
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The difference between the two is the difference between the aerodynamics of a brick and an arrow.
 
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Old Mar 29, 2016 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Queen and Country
...they were forced to make that shape cause all race cars were shaped like that. Look at what Ferrari made one year before the e-type and one year after...
If the point you are attempting to make is strictly concerning design elements; trends develop and change in all areas of automotive development and design over time.

I believe the successful racing histories of the D-Type, 250 Testa Rossa and 250 GTO all speak for themselves. What you must remember is that after the E-Type and 250 GTO arrived on the scene, both companies went in very different directions with vehicle design as well as financial and racing successes.
 
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Originally Posted by NBCat
If the point you are attempting to make is strictly concerning design elements; trends develop and change in all areas of automotive development and design over time.

I believe the successful racing histories of the D-Type, 250 Testa Rossa and 250 GTO all speak for themselves. What you must remember is that after the E-Type and 250 GTO arrived on the scene, both companies went in very different directions with vehicle design as well as financial and racing successes.
You are quite right on all counts. My point was to give Jaguar the credit that the average people just dont know about. For example, my buddy who is into engine design, when I asked him what does my XKR remind him of, he said an Aston. LOL. I was looking for etype.

Look yet another car inspired by the Jaguar formula, this time a Buick.

 
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Originally Posted by Queen and Country
You are quite right on all counts. My point was to give Jaguar the credit that the average people just dont know about. For example, my buddy who is into engine design, when I asked him what does my XKR remind him of, he said an Aston. LOL. I was looking for etype.

Look yet another car inspired by the Jaguar formula, this time a Buick.

After seeing this jaguar inspired Buick we can only imagine how good the new XK design could have been ...
 
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Old Mar 30, 2016 | 08:15 AM
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A list of cars that blatantly copied XK
Tesla (I oft get asked is that a new Tesla- I say yes they have gone to gasoline)
Bentley (pictured above)
Buick
Mustang
there are others
 
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Old Mar 30, 2016 | 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Queen and Country
Speaking as a student of design, there has not been a design more copied in elements. Even the new ford mustang has copied the elements of Jaguar XK. They went from flat sides and square rear window to flared haunches, and tapered window of the e-type.

Ferrari copied Jaguar. There is a great deal of history about it on the web. I will post the pictures someday. Its well known in the design circles that Ferrari would still be making boxes if not for Jaguar's Malcolm Sayer ( the man who designed our car in essence) Enzo did not believe aerodynamics had anything to do with cars, till a Sayer designed aerodynamic car handed him his hat at the races. He said 'aerodynamics Sayer pioneered car aerodynamics singlehandedly- without wind tunnels and any existing science. The fact that his elements can be used today is awe-inspiring.
Although the Etype was largely responsible for the revised 250 GTO bodies; in reguards to your other statements, you need to check out what the German's were doing pre WWII.

The science of aerodynamics existed even before we first took powered flight, just we didn't have enough horse power to go fast enough for manufacturers to see cost/benefit of employing it until after WWI. Also, the roads of the day, and local laws, rarely allowed cars to go that fast anyway. With the German's emphasis on good roads, they set the speed record for the autobahn in the 1930's at over 430KPH. Even a Jaguar XJ220 isn't touching that. The German's had the only road set to really let aerodynamics be significant, which is why they were designing car aerodynamics far far before the British.

This extremely low drag aerodynamically designed German car from 1922.

Even the caps over the wheels are there to reduce drag.
 
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