Well I see the E-car fad has hit Jaguar too. Just saw a piece on Jaguar going all electric , all models by 2030. Announced by their CEO . The end is near for all of ups petroheads. Well at my present age I'm not worried as my next stage will be a walker then followed by an electric wheelchair. enjoy the ride.

 

And the XJ is being cancelled, which is a shame

 

Doesn't make a lot of sense if they're headed to all electric by 2030. Nine years isn't a lot of time to get it right in all models.

 

Try FOUR years, not nine:
https://abcnews.go.com/Lifestyle/wir...-2025-75906598

 

Alot of our future transportation needs will be met with autonomous EV transporters. EV transporters will serve the public like a utility rendering parking lots empty. The corporate players with the vision are positioning for this. The writing is on the wall.

 

As long as there is a filling station, I envision I'll be pumping the juice. I also recognize that I may have bought my last ICE car. I've spent that last 3 years acquiring the exact cars I want, in the particular colors I want, with the exact options I want. (Disclaimer: I really want a 2021 Goldwing, so in 2025 I'll get one by trading in my current Goldwing). My 2013 truck should be good for another 6-8 years, then I won't need a truck anymore. My '15 Audi should get a minimum of 7-10 good years at around 8000 miles per year. Covid has really skewed my miles driven this year... I just calculated that from the time I put my dedicated snow tire/rims on the Audi until now, I've put barely 2000 miles on the car where it should be closer to 5000.

My goal in 10 years is to have an electric vehicle and my '08 Jag convertible. If Tesla builds on its current ability to advance self-driving cars, the one group that can benefit the most from it will be old farts like me. I want to be the one behind the wheel, even if the wheel is doing most of the work.

And I wholeheartedly agree with jagtoes... I want to have a suped-up electric wheelchair, maybe even with off road capability!

 

I was actually really looking forward to an electric XJ.

Now i'm really looking forward to an XKR electric conversion - maybe 30 years from now??

 

An X100 has already been converted.




An X100 Forum member began his DIY conversion in 2014 with detailed progress reports but still hasn't completed it.
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...ert-ev-130388/

 

Time to start up an electric speed shop chain.

 

I don't think "fad" is the best word to use to describe the coming shift in worldwide car production towards electric vehicles. GM, Volvo and others, including Jaguar, have pretty much declared the end of the internal combustion era for personal transportation. Given the typical useful life of personal vehicles (assuming pre-COVID average annual mileage), in the next 10-20 years almost everyone that currently drives a car that depends in whole or part on burning fossil fuel will be faced with little choice but to buy an EV. A similar time-frame applied to the shift from horse-drawn transportation to the internal combustion engine at the turn of the 20th century.

The ripple effects from this shift will be significant. Fossil fuels will become harder to conveniently find and more expensive. The electric power generation sector will have to expand. Imports of crude oil into the US will dwindle or perhaps disappear as the country requires less petroleum to meet transportation needs.

 

Jaguar will become an electric-only brand from 2025 onwards as part of a bold new Reimagine strategy designed to revive the fortunes of JLR.

I found this prospect profoundly depressing until I realised that my next new vehicle at that time is likely to be an Electric Mobility Scooter so beloved by hooligan pensioners. Imagine scything along pedestrian zones in the new Jaguar P-Type. Low, sleek, fast and silent. I could be even more of a nuisance than a teenager on a skateboard. No registration plates required and a pandemic face mask hiding my identity so no chance of recognition by Police or security cameras. A big hand for new CEO Thierry Bolloré for his vision. Put my name on the list immediately.

Wait a minute, Thierry. You want to sell me an electric 2 door luxury performance vehicle. That's not a GT or a Sports Car - it's a glorified Golf Cart.

Graham

 

We've lived in the best of times. I'm sure the future will bring even faster transportation, but driver involvement will be less or even zero. And we've had transportation where even a home mechanic like me could build something that outran most cars. Probably no more. Maybe something virtual will come…

I remember being in my 20s in the 80s, cars were crap, I read with envy about the guys being at my age when musclecars were big, 67-73. But oh, we've had it a lot better and for now decades.

Everyday I'm free and NOT visiting German highways is a crime. Not necessarily go 250+, but fast and free. Last time I did the 4 peaks around Kassel in the Jag, at no time below 170 km/h, I smiled for hours afterwards.

 

I thought the XJ was just going electric; not killing off the model monicer?

 

Nor will the infrastructure be there for the end user or the efficient delivery of electricity at that scale.

 

Call me stupid but I still don't believe Electric will be the preferred power source of vehicles in the future as opposed to hydrogen. There are currently over 1 billion motor vehicles roaming around on earth, the vast majority of which are gas powered. Think about the increased demand of electricity and power plants worldwide. Does this mean we'll be burning more fossil fuels to create the power needed to fuel an additional billion cars? In California already because of mandates to use a higher percentage of renewable energy sources, we have rolling blackouts on a regular basis because solar and wind facilities do not nearly generate what we need and are increasingly coming under criticism for killing birds by the thousands. Hydrogen supply is nearly endless and produces water as a byproduct though distribution will be its challenge. I think electric vehicles is a short term bridge into the future and maybe driving altogether has little time left. It would not surprise me to see municipalities, states, even countries start outlawing the driving of individual cars under the guise of "protecting" us from the evils of excess and the inability to supply enough affordable power to meet demand without reverting to fossil fuels at least for another 50-100 years. And let's not even mention how you safely dispose of a billion toxic battery packs.

 

I did some back-of-the-envelope calculations to get my arms around the impact of a significant shift from internal combustion engines to electric motors for personal transport.

Using data from the US Energy Information Administration, I figured as follows:

1. Currently 26,590,000,000,000,000 (quadrillion or quads) Btus per year of petroleum are used in the transportation sector.
2. Over the next 20 years let's assume that conversion to electric vehicles could halve that number, the US would reduce its consumption of petroleum by 12.85 quads.
3. Wholesale generation of electricity would have to replace that lost energy. However, the replacement is not one-for-one, since electric vehicles are way are about 3 times more efficient at using energy that internal-combustion-powered vehicles. So at the end user level about 4.2 quads from electric generation would be required.
4. However, the generation of electricity is itself an inefficient process, since it still largely depends on prime movers that generate a lot of heat loss. Currently (sorry), for every Btu if electricity generated, only .35 Btu of electricity is delivered to the end user. So at the wholesale level, replacing 4.2 quads of retail electric energy would require 11.43 quads of new wholesale generation.
5. The wholesale electric sector today consumes about 37 quads, so the additional increase in generation just to serve the switch to electric-powered transportation over the next 20 years would require about a 30% increase in wholesale generation capacity.
6. Traditionally, the electric sector has grown about 1% per year in demand. Using the .35 factor to figure growth in wholesale capacity to meet that demand, wholesale electric generation capacity has traditionally grown at about 3% per year.
7. So, factoring in the shift to EVs, the wholesale electricity sector would have to grow on average about 4% per year instead of 3%.

That is certainly achievable if traditional technologies - such as combined cycle gas turbine-generators - continue to be widely used. The picture gets more complicated if capacity based on renewable technologies continues to outpace traditional capacity additions, because wind and solar generators have variable outputs that can cause grid instabilities and insecurities.

 

Just some personal thoughts.
Gas is not going anywhere soon.
Electricity is a long way from a complete solution.
The production of the extra electricity, means you trade one pollutant for another.
Not to mention the Capacity of the Grid as it stands.
Cities will have to build the infrastructure to recharge the vehicles. What about use rural folks??? We just had a snow storm of 12 inches, and 2 above zero F, our electric company sent out a text, please conserve so we don't have to shut down areas periodically, to maintain service.
They can't handle what's going on now? How are they gonna supply "Millions" of electric cars, cause we know it's not like plugging it into a wall socket. It takes a whole lot more Whop! then that to charge one of those things.
So rest assured. Electricity is coming.
But there will gas vehicles for a long time.
Just don't fall for the "Cash For Clunkers" Bullshit they sold us in the 2000's. That proved out to be the biggest line of Bull!

Just as I said. Just my Thoughts.

Jack

 

Four years is pretty fast. I guess we will see.

I wonder what an all electric F-Type will sound like?

 

When I can stagger my drunk a$$ out of the bar, get into my E-vehicle and let it drive me home with no ticket, I'll consider one.

 

Green Energy is not the answer, as what happens when the sun doesn't shine, the wind doesn't blow, or the temperature falls below freezing? Without sufficient electric storage capacity, you're screwed. Just ask the millions of people in Texas and other states with no electric power today.Frozen wind turbines contribute to rolling power blackouts across Texas.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/15/us/po...day/index.html

Green Energy can help, but other technologies such as nuclear power and natural gas are needed for a comprehensive, fail-safe energy plan.

Don't let environmentalists save the planet at the cost of killing us.