Just installed my Pilot Sport 4S tires this past week. Took a little 200 mile round trip to the races this past Saturday and definitely like the way they ride and handle. I'll report further as time goes along.

 

Sacrilege! You've dare install Michelins?!?!?! Don't you know that women and children might be in vehicles near you, that there's schools, and hospitals, and churches that you're selfishly putting at risk... oh the horror! Whatever you do DON'T let CeeJay know let's just keep this our little secret but if you do please let me know then I'll be stock in Lipator.

Glad to hear you're liking them also good to know they're finally out even if in limited numbers now. Thanks for the report

 

Tire Rack has them and yes, I'll keep you posted. Sorry to see you and your Cat have parted ways... if only for now.

 

thanks, parted for the right reasons and thenew owner is ecstatic so all good. I may well be back in a cat, probably either a C4S or '10 xkr or xkr it'll depend on the right deal coming up in the winter... and if they should need tire - they'll be 4S's! What did they run you installed? Where did you get them done?

 

Sorry for the thread hi-jack, but when I see things stated as above, I feel more input is required.
The "pure conjecture" (my words and thoughts) that "old tires that gave way" was the cause of that crash is ridiculous.
The official report states ["investigators determined that the cause of the fatal crash was "unsafe speed for the roadway conditions," L.A. County Sheriff's Cmdr. Mike Parker said.] Also from the report [Sheriff's and California Highway Patrol crash experts found no evidence of any car system failures.]
IMHO the direct cause of the crash lies solely with the driver, Roger Rodas.


On the topic of tires, I would recommend the Nitto Invo Luxury Sport UHP tires for your XKR.

 

You may have a point.
However not to take away from the question of AGE that Leeper was asking me. My tires that failed were 2 year older than the tires that are fine (rears- in the picture posted previously) Of vital note: I purchased all the tires on the same day, I was sold tires that were 2 years apart in age in terms of the manufacturing date.

 

I fully agree that old tires do deteriorate. However at what age that occurs is very dependent on the conditions they are used in such as temperature, heat cycles, amount and type of use (i.e. driving style) etc.

BTW, how old were your tires that failed? (From the date of manufacture?)

 

6 years old.
Older than the car at the time.
They did not have a leg to stand on in the claims dept.

 

Sorry for the thread hi-jack, but when I see things stated as above, I feel more input is required.
The "pure conjecture" (my words and thoughts) that "old tires that gave way" was the cause of that crash is ridiculous. Paul Walker's Porsche had outdated tires at time of fatal crash - latimes

The official report states ["investigators determined that the cause of the fatal crash was "unsafe speed for the roadway conditions," L.A. County Sheriff's Cmdr. Mike Parker said.] Also from the report [Sheriff's and California Highway Patrol crash experts found no evidence of any car system failures.] The report is to exonerate Porsche is mechanical failure there is no mention of in any way regarding tires as they are not considered part of "the system". Not a Paul Walker fan, don't know anything about him, but HATE to see when someone dies lawyers and families immediately look to make it someone else's fault for financial gain.


IMHO the direct cause of the crash lies solely with the driver, Roger Rodas. - I completely agree he is 100% at fault and Porsche ought not be held responsible in any way. Porsche, and common sense, dictates that anytime you push a car to it's limits that tires ought to be properly taken care of AND that includes insuring they are not older (therefore hardened)

Getting back to this thread - I ALWAYS check mfg dates when buying new tires, seen too many old ones being sold as new. Just had some installed a few weeks ago the mfg dates were a couple weeks old... I also check any used car I buy and If I were to drive like an idiot lord knows I'd make damn sure they were capable!

 

Thank you for that link. I did not realize some car manufacturers warn about exceeding 4 years on the tires. Most informative.

There was another factor I see in that accident. Well documented problem with rear engine cars- you have tons of grip in the back on a turn, but you have understeer, you brake to compensate, front grips rear whips out. It perfectly describes this accident.

Until I had a problem, I did not know that manufacturing dates needed to be checked like you do bread.

 

Absolutely, which is why I asked Cee Jay several times to tell me what the DOT dates were. In certain climates, certain compounds and low use, tires can develop cracks or dry rot. It is wise to inspect your tires every month when checking air pressures. I'm on my 4th set of tires and not from mileage.

 

Is there a tire you prefer and why.

 

There was another factor I see in that accident. Well documented problem with rear engine cars- you have tons of grip in the back on a turn, but you have understeer, you brake to compensate, front grips rear whips out. It perfectly describes this accident.

Hey Q&C - Porsche Carrera GT is a mid-engine car not rear engine if they moved the engine to rear maybe that had something to do with it ;-)

The Porsche Carrera GT (Project Code 980) is a mid-engined[4] sports car that was manufactured by Porsche between 2004–2007 in Leipzig,[5] Germany.

 

See post 35, page 2 of this thread.

 

I got the set from Tire Rack in Reno, for a total of $1314.30.

The cost breakdown goes like this:

Fronts...... $279.35 x 2 ....... $ 558.70
Rears....... $340.70 x 2 ....... $ 681.40
Subtotal............................. $1240.10
Freight............................... $ 74.20

Total.................................. $1314.30

Installation was done locally at Wheel King of Fresno, for $100.00.

 

Thanks Firecat, not bad! Enjoy

 

I'll stress it again, recently while shopping for new Michelin Sport Cup 2 track tires, I found a dealer with these in stock and when I checked the DOT dates I found they were 2 years old!!! Not only are they old, but there is no way to know what sort of environment they have been sitting and perhaps even more importantly it is not uncommon for manufacturers to make running changes to formulation during the life of a particular model.

 

And that was why I told you. The new ones I had were less than 45 days when they were installed. Less than A YEAR when they disintegrated into worthless pieces and chunks of crappy rubber. Can't remember the exact date or days, but I've always checked dates on tires when I buy them. Dad learned me the way.
You guys go ahead and snicker at me all you want. I HAD some of these disgusting things and they flew apart. Wasn't my fault. Never going to buy them again. If anyone blames me for being against the WORST tires I've ever SEEN, then go ahead. Mock all you want. Doesn't matter what you say or think. The tires I bought for a LOT of money were DEPLORABLE, HORRENDOUS PIECES OF COMPLETE AND UTTER GARBAGE.

 

Although this has never mattered in the past. Whats new about these tires- particularly when mine were made- is that they were experimenting with biodegradable cooking oils.

There are some things in life one should always stick with the tried and tested.

Do you know where all the arsenic laced toothpaste ended up. Former soviet states and Africa. Wonder if Michelin decided to use Utah as their test market. Kindest people in USA.

 

And that was why I told you. The new ones I had were less than 45 days when they were installed. Less than A YEAR when they disintegrated into worthless pieces and chunks of crappy rubber. Can't remember the exact date or days, but I've always checked dates on tires when I buy them. Dad learned me the way.
You guys go ahead and snicker at me all you want. Contrary to your constant feeling of victimizaion CeeJay I have yet to hear anyone here, including myself EVER snicker at you or claim in any way that you didn't have a terrible experience... if I'm wrong please show me where I'm wrong. Every time you bark I only state that the VAST majority,
including most on this site have experiences quite contrary to yours
I HAD some of these disgusting things and they flew apart. Wasn't my fault. No one ever said it was your fault, we get it Never going to buy them again. If anyone blames me for being against the WORST tires I've ever SEEN, then go ahead. Mock all you wantI called you out because the last time you piped in you made ridiculous claims that were slanderous in nature about how Michelin was outright lying and asked you for proof of your claim. Doesn't matter what you say or think you're absolutely right there, doesn't matter what I think Or what you think, or what either of us do, but if you make grandiose claims please back them up with a level of proof. The tires I bought for a LOT of money were DEPLORABLE, HORRENDOUS PIECES OF COMPLETE AND UTTER GARBAGE. i don't know about others but I believe you, if I had that bad experience I wouldn't buy them either however if I were to read most any site - Ferrari, Corvette, Audi, Nissan, even this site the VAST majority of reviews are extremely positive. Sorry you got the bad experience, I believe you but it wouldn't stop me from buying as my experiences with MPSS was excellent.
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