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Old Oct 22, 2024 | 01:17 PM
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Laptop using SIM data -> cord -> OBD port -> remote program -> seat calibration


It is no different than me fiddling with my own car. Except that I have someone remoted into the computer doing anything necessary - in the instance we are using SDD or some other program. It is no different than paying a tuning shop money to literally tune your car from 1,000+ miles away. As long as there is a tool that they can use to fiddle with the electronics, anything in this life is remote-able.


As per the first thing I asked, not knowing if it was a foxwell task or an SDD task - if it is SDD it can be remoted. If it is a foxwell task, remoting wasn't even going to be considered.

I bring up the Tesla screen, because it actually is a computer. It is not the same piece of machinery (stereo) that came stock in these cars. The stock stereoes are terrible. Literally god awful. It being an Android, and me being an IT guy, I promise it can do more than anyone will ever realize lol. I can drive down the highway and be remoted into my computer at home and daytrade.

Right, let's back up a minute, perhaps I've missed something as this's all getting WAY more complicated than it needs to.

There's numerous members here who've reset their seat modules, it's quite easy.

If I understand what you're getting at, you have SDD with a laptop already (this has no need for a "Tesla" screen because you can simply use TeamViewer on the laptop) but either you're not familiar with or uncomfortable using SDD. You don't want to spend a couple of hundred on another OBD tool but you're willing to hire a technician and pay them to do it for you remotely? Why don't you just take it to a qualified service or are there none within reasonable distance to your location?
 

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Old Oct 22, 2024 | 01:20 PM
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Right, let's back up a minute, perhaps I've missed something as this's all getting WAY more complicated than it needs to.

There's numerous members here who've reset their seat modules, it's quite easy.

If understand what you're getting at, you have SDD with a laptop already (this had no need for a "Tesla" screen because you can simply use TemViewer on the laptop) but either your not familiar with or uncomfortable using SDD. You don't want to spend a couple of hundred on another OBD tool but you're willing to hire a technician and pay them to do it for you remotely? Why don't you just take it to a qualified service or are there none within reasonable distance to your location?
SDD w/ laptop, I don't have, but is obtainable and would just take me learning it. $0
OBD Tool (if mine doesnt work) $150-200
Dude that remotes in that knows how to calibrate seat, hopefully under that $150-200 mark, lol.
I live in Idaho, there are no JLR dealers anywhere in a 7 hour range of me. I am doing what is possibly possible.

And he specifically asked how a remote connection to an 07 was possible. That is how it is possible.
 

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Old Oct 22, 2024 | 01:26 PM
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SDD w/ laptop, I don't have, but is obtainable and would just take me learning it. $0
OBD Tool (if mine doesnt work) $150-200
Dude that remotes in that knows how to calibrate seat, hopefully under that $150-200 mark, lol.
I live in Idaho, there are no JLR dealers anywhere in a 7 hour range of me. I am doing what is possibly possible.

And he specifically asked how a remote connection to an 07 was possible. That is how it is possible.
Beware knockoff SDD clones, they're known to destroy cars (well modules at least). It's not just software and a laptop, you need an authorized dongle as well, which'll cost hundreds.

Since you're not familiar with using SDD, sounds like having it will be pointless for you as you'd not likely use it for anything other than this. I'd advise getting the proper scantool and doing it yourself and save a bunch of money.
 

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Old Oct 22, 2024 | 01:41 PM
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Correct. "someone" remoting in, using the software, connected by even a weathered interface; has all kinds of issues written all over it.
A worst case scenario, bricking the car.
 
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Old Oct 22, 2024 | 01:46 PM
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If the fault did follow a battery change ,it's really likely to happen again. I have an 06 car and have changed the battery once but disconnected it three times in 6 months to do other work. It went flat too when I went on holiday and my garage power tripped out .

On this basis I bought an icarsoft, here in the UK . Version 3 JLR specific.
I have done a fair bit with it already, it's a very full version. I have reset and moved the seats at least three times. When the battery went flat it did not need doing, but the other times it did.
My local independent said they would do it at around £60 GBP , so it's paid for it's self now.
 
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Old Oct 22, 2024 | 01:50 PM
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Correct. "someone" remoting in, using the software, connected by even a weathered interface; has all kinds of issues written all over it.
A worst case scenario, bricking the car.
No. Someone remoting in is completely fine. Especially someone knowing what they are doing. I can't really see the difference in me clicking buttons on a mouse vs. a person that is also clicking buttons on a mouse, but has done it before. The only thing you mentioned that someone would need to worry about is a weathered interface. And even then, why are you using something that is a worry in the first place. Let's say you didn't have a weathered interface........................ then your only worry is "someone" remoting in? I really fail to see how this is seriously any different than e-tuning. And let's not go down the luddite avenue that e-tuning isn't popular, because holy **** yes it is lol. More popular, reliable, cheaper, and practically no different than if you were to do it yourself. Except that someone that knows what they are doing, is doing it.

Average wage for a JLR tech is 18-22 /hr. You'd be silly to think a skilled worker making barely more than a McDonalds worker wouldn't take me up on my offer to make a couple extra bucks if all it took was 15 minutes and a laptop.
 

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Old Oct 22, 2024 | 03:45 PM
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I would really, really, REALLY like to see that happen.
I completely agree that someone with SDD at a remote location COULD run a bit of the software on another remote computer, but then the TARGET computer would have to be directly connected to the car via a Mongoose or a J2534 interface. That'd basically be using the target computer as a gateway. Doable, but I'd not try it. Any interruption could (and has) brick(ed) a vehicle.
It certainly isn't as easy as remotely entering a 'tesla' screen remotely.
 
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Old Oct 22, 2024 | 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by SNAPCHAT
No. Someone remoting in is completely fine. Especially someone knowing what they are doing. I can't really see the difference in me clicking buttons on a mouse vs. a person that is also clicking buttons on a mouse, but has done it before. The only thing you mentioned that someone would need to worry about is a weathered interface. And even then, why are you using something that is a worry in the first place. Let's say you didn't have a weathered interface........................ then your only worry is "someone" remoting in? I really fail to see how this is seriously any different than e-tuning. And let's not go down the luddite avenue that e-tuning isn't popular, because holy **** yes it is lol. More popular, reliable, cheaper, and practically no different than if you were to do it yourself. Except that someone that knows what they are doing, is doing it.

Average wage for a JLR tech is 18-22 /hr. You'd be silly to think a skilled worker making barely more than a McDonalds worker wouldn't take me up on my offer to make a couple extra bucks if all it took was 15 minutes and a laptop.
“Remoting in “isn’t the issue. I’ve done SDD programming via team viewer many times.

The actual problem here is you’ve neither the hardware nor the software to do any of this. Plus SDD will want to see a proper power supply attached to the car for module programming. So between the hundreds of dollars in hardware and software plus paying a tech for remote service will be more expensive than just buying a proper scan tool Which you will be able to use more times now and in the future.
 
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Old Oct 22, 2024 | 05:18 PM
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Bricking an xk150 is possible and if it happens I doubt any Jag dealer can/would even try to help.
Seat recalibration...come to Austin Texas and I'll run the program for free.
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Originally Posted by Cee Jay
I would really, really, REALLY like to see that happen.
I completely agree that someone with SDD at a remote location COULD run a bit of the software on another remote computer, but then the TARGET computer would have to be directly connected to the car via a Mongoose or a J2534 interface. That'd basically be using the target computer as a gateway. Doable, but I'd not try it. Any interruption could (and has) brick(ed) a vehicle.
It certainly isn't as easy as remotely entering a 'tesla' screen remotely.
I fail to see how even an internet connection interruption would affect the process - the program (SDD) wouldn't just suddenly freeze up or fail or anything at all (or any software for that matter) if worst case scenario happened. The computer doesn't know who is clicking the controls. The program would just sit idly and we would await the remotee to connect in again. Yes, if the computer became disconnected from the car during a process... I can see why that would damage something. But a remote connection wouldn't affect that, so I don't understand the heeding is all.

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“Remoting in “isn’t the issue. I’ve done SDD programming via team viewer many times.

The actual problem here is you’ve neither the hardware nor the software to do any of this. Plus SDD will want to see a proper power supply attached to the car for module programming. So between the hundreds of dollars in hardware and software plus paying a tech for remote service will be more expensive than just buying a proper scan tool Which you will be able to use more times now and in the future.
I own Jaguars - yes, to fix 1 issue such as my seat - it wouldn't make much sense to buy all of this stuff for 1 little project. Most people would probably come to that consensus. Although, I have been apart of these forums for a bit now, and have only heard of this SDD mentioned in a bazillion different threads - it makes sense that an owner would go so far as to own something such as. I would then have the tools for any future job.

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Bricking an xk150 is possible and if it happens I doubt any Jag dealer can/would even try to help.
Seat recalibration...come to Austin Texas and I'll run the program for free.
WJ
Several members of this forum having used the $38 chinese dongle dozens and dozens of times, even on video (proving that the dongle as a product, works) and there are several members that have used the genuine mongoose cable, also with dozens of successful attempts. There are also folks that have used the chinese $38 dongle and it has bricked their car - with... you guessed it. The same exact thing happening with the genuine cable. Okay, so we are past the dongles not working. Now we know that it is either the car dying, or the mongoose cable becoming disconnected or something that is going to be what causes a brick. So, the whole computer thing is actually relatively cheap and offers some pretty crazy utility for what downside? Genuine question - spent some time now searching through threads and forums of folks that have "bricked" their cars - only to find out later that it was a fuse, or a dead battery that needed replaced, or something of the sort. You'd think you would find plenty more scary threads detailing why this is a big no-no, but I have yet to see it. The fuss just seems a bit hyped up is all, I thank you all for the information regardless.


 
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I have the 12" tesla android screen installed - and it has a SIM card tray. Have an unlimited call/text/data line setup on it for like $25/m. Since the screen is an android tablet programmed into a car stereo, we can install apps like Netflix and Youtube among a billion other things (teamviewer, VNC, any remote program) to use while driving down the road. The car technically has a phone number lol.
I'm sure everyone (or most people) in here completely believe that someone can remotely go into a computer from a zillion miles away, I don't think that's the issue.
The thing is, you say that the Chinese hobble-gob of electronic parts that somewhat resembles the display of a purpose-built vehicle centered fully around full integration TO that display somehow correlates.

"I have the 12" tesla android screen installed - and it has a SIM card tray."

Okay, so what is that going to do?

Still and again, I REALLY want to see someone remote into your 12" tesla android screen and program anything at all in the vehicle itself.
 
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When that happens the cost of those screens will explode and there will be quite a few more xk150s for sale (non running)
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glad to see you spent the time to search this forum and at least you know the risks you you’re about to take.

I’m an engineer and we’d never chose knock-off hardware let alone anything from origins unknown in our systems, just not worth the risk.

It seems you’ve already made up your mind and despite the knowledge you now posses, have decided to gamble the fate of your vehicle to save a few hundred dollars, if that’s all your car is worth to you, then more power to you. I wish you the best in your endevour.
 
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Originally Posted by Cee Jay
I'm sure everyone (or most people) in here completely believe that someone can remotely go into a computer from a zillion miles away, I don't think that's the issue.
The thing is, you say that the Chinese hobble-gob of electronic parts that somewhat resembles the display of a purpose-built vehicle centered fully around full integration TO that display somehow correlates.

"I have the 12" tesla android screen installed - and it has a SIM card tray."

Okay, so what is that going to do?

Still and again, I REALLY want to see someone remote into your 12" tesla android screen and program anything at all in the vehicle itself.
Lol, the Tesla screen is the sole reason I have data. It is the reason my car is a mobile hotspot. I have an internet connection, courtesy of my screen, that allows me to do eeeevvveerryytthhiinnnggg we have been discussing. You seem to think that I am going to be using my screen as a remote device or something.... when that was never the case. The screen itself does not allow me to get into the car to do any sort of programming, which you and I both know. You're forgetting about people such as Jahummer that seemed to have been perplexed that you can remote into an 07'. Whether that be my SCREEN, or a laptop, it is happening off my my screens data. This "chinese hobble-gob" is better than the stock components. The music sounds better. The controls are better. The features are absolutely night and day better. Its not even a conversation. Chinese hobble-gob it all you want man, its working better than the **** that came with the car. This is not and has not been me saying anyone was going to literally remote into my stereo (????) and program my car lol. It simply just makes my 07 remote-able.
 
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Originally Posted by wymjym
When that happens the cost of those screens will explode and there will be quite a few more xk150s for sale (non running)
wj
This is the a-typical attitude.

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@SNAPCHAT

glad to see you spent the time to search this forum and at least you know the risks you you’re about to take.

I’m an engineer and we’d never chose knock-off hardware let alone anything from origins unknown in our systems, just not worth the risk.

It seems you’ve already made up your mind and despite the knowledge you now posses, have decided to gamble the fate of your vehicle to save a few hundred dollars, if that’s all your car is worth to you, then more power to you. I wish you the best in your endevour.
It's just strange to me because you're already hooking your car up to such an interface that you risk bricking it ANYWAYS. I could 250% go the safe route and take every precaution imaginable, and what does it leave me with? No matter what route I take, there are the same chances of the car being bricked if anything goes wrong. I thank both of you for staying attached to the conversation, but lets not be fictitious and act like there aren't people doing all of this completely legit and still ruining their vehicles. As for jahummers comment, I still fail to see what part of my procedure just automatically makes you think something can go wrong any more than a regular procedure using genuine hardware. We got over the hump of remoting, so surely we are all in agreeance that it takes a cable becoming disconnected, OR a computer turning off / car dying - to actually mess anything up. So again, is this about the fact that it is chinese? So, this whole topic could be put to rest if i DONT buy the $38 adapter, and buy the genuine $126 one? That $80 some odd dollars is the the only part of the process that could be considered "knock off". So, everything should just be magic and work if I spend another $80.

I am not trying to be argumentative with any of you; a lot of you folks have saved me dozens and dozens of hours of time with the plethora of knowledge you all hold on this topic - I just really feel like a lot of the naysay is unneeded. Go through the initial Tesla compilation post by Sean W and just take a look at alllll of the people that were soooo wary and soooo worried that the Screen would break something or not work, or just straight up not show any interest because the product is Chinese. All I know, is that my car is becoming more and more chinese and stuff has yet to not work, BETTER.
 

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Originally Posted by SNAPCHAT
This is the a-typical attitude.


It's just strange to me because you're already hooking your car up to such an interface that you risk bricking it ANYWAYS. I could 250% go the safe route and take every precaution imaginable, and what does it leave me with? No matter what route I take, there are the same chances of the car being bricked if anything goes wrong. I thank both of you for staying attached to the conversation, but lets not be fictitious and act like there aren't people doing all of this completely legit and still ruining their vehicles. As for jahummers comment, I still fail to see what part of my procedure just automatically makes you think something can go wrong any more than a regular procedure using genuine hardware. We got over the hump of remoting, so surely we are all in agreeance that it takes a cable becoming disconnected, OR a computer turning off / car dying - to actually mess anything up. So again, is this about the fact that it is chinese? So, this whole topic could be put to rest if i DONT buy the $38 adapter, and buy the genuine $126 one? That $80 some odd dollars is the the only part of the process that could be considered "knock off". So, everything should just be magic and work if I spend another $80.

I am not trying to be argumentative with any of you; a lot of you folks have saved me dozens and dozens of hours of time with the plethora of knowledge you all hold on this topic - I just really feel like a lot of the naysay is unneeded. Go through the initial Tesla compilation post by Sean W and just take a look at alllll of the people that were soooo wary and soooo worried that the Screen would break something or not work, or just straight up not show any interest because the product is Chinese. All I know, is that my car is becoming more and more chinese and stuff has yet to not work, BETTER.
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Originally Posted by SNAPCHAT
This is the a-typical attitude.


It's just strange to me because you're already hooking your car up to such an interface that you risk bricking it ANYWAYS. I could 250% go the safe route and take every precaution imaginable, and what does it leave me with? No matter what route I take, there are the same chances of the car being bricked if anything goes wrong. I thank both of you for staying attached to the conversation, but lets not be fictitious and act like there aren't people doing all of this completely legit and still ruining their vehicles. As for jahummers comment, I still fail to see what part of my procedure just automatically makes you think something can go wrong any more than a regular procedure using genuine hardware. We got over the hump of remoting, so surely we are all in agreeance that it takes a cable becoming disconnected, OR a computer turning off / car dying - to actually mess anything up. So again, is this about the fact that it is chinese? So, this whole topic could be put to rest if i DONT buy the $38 adapter, and buy the genuine $126 one? That $80 some odd dollars is the the only part of the process that could be considered "knock off". So, everything should just be magic and work if I spend another $80.

I am not trying to be argumentative with any of you; a lot of you folks have saved me dozens and dozens of hours of time with the plethora of knowledge you all hold on this topic - I just really feel like a lot of the naysay is unneeded. Go through the initial Tesla compilation post by Sean W and just take a look at alllll of the people that were soooo wary and soooo worried that the Screen would break something or not work, or just straight up not show any interest because the product is Chinese. All I know, is that my car is becoming more and more chinese and stuff has yet to not work, BETTER.
I thought my last response was simple enough to understand. I never said anything about where knock-off dongles are made or called them Chinese. It doesn’t matter where they’re made, they’re not manufactured to the same standards of material quality or design as required by JLR. ( This applies to other counterfeit and clone products as well, they rarely ever meet the same standards as genuine because they aren’t regulated and don’t need to)

There are posts here where someone took a genuine and a clone apart
to compare. There are also those who’ve had problems with clones
and not because or power loss or user error. Very well experienced and respected forum moderator Cambo has mentioned avoiding clones. Do a google search for VCM and Mongoose clones and see just how many problems there have been.

I was simply saying the cost difference between a genuine dongle and a clone is so minimal, why save so little money for such great risk when the genuine’s available?
 
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