XKR-S not selling?
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I have also seen heavily discounted XKR-s', some with almost no mileage that are being offered in the $90K range, which is a hefty hit. I also am not a great fan of the body changes, I would rather have Jaguar offer all of the upgrades (more horsepower, lowered suspension....) on a normal XKR, whose body looks more refined and less boy racer.
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The body mods on the R-S are both cosmetic and functional - I agree with Matt that there was an element of style & and the desire to be distinctive in the visual changes, something taken even further with the R-S GT. However, there's a practical reason as well: high-speed stability.
My 75 is about 95% R-S - it has the suspension, exhaust and most of the horsepower. However, when I spoke to Paramount Performance about getting the 174mph limiter removed, they were cautious about offering it on a car without the R-S body mods. They said they'd be OK with increasing it to 186, but not beyond unless I signed a waiver - if it was an R-S, they'd be fine with raising it to 200.
So, although visual impact is part of the picture, the revised splitter and bigger wing are not purely for looks - they help keep the car on the road at very high speeds. In the US and most other places, this is probably all academic, unless you have access to a track with a long straight - but in Germany, it isn't. Anyone can take their R-S out on the autobahn and (in many places) go as fast as the car will run - and at 186 mph, I'd want a car glued to the tarmac, with plenty of downforce and no aero lift.
I'm being given the opportunity next week to interview one of the members of Jaguar's dynamics team that developed these 'upgraded' models. I'll be asking questions about this topic, and will let you know what I find out.
My 75 is about 95% R-S - it has the suspension, exhaust and most of the horsepower. However, when I spoke to Paramount Performance about getting the 174mph limiter removed, they were cautious about offering it on a car without the R-S body mods. They said they'd be OK with increasing it to 186, but not beyond unless I signed a waiver - if it was an R-S, they'd be fine with raising it to 200.
So, although visual impact is part of the picture, the revised splitter and bigger wing are not purely for looks - they help keep the car on the road at very high speeds. In the US and most other places, this is probably all academic, unless you have access to a track with a long straight - but in Germany, it isn't. Anyone can take their R-S out on the autobahn and (in many places) go as fast as the car will run - and at 186 mph, I'd want a car glued to the tarmac, with plenty of downforce and no aero lift.
I'm being given the opportunity next week to interview one of the members of Jaguar's dynamics team that developed these 'upgraded' models. I'll be asking questions about this topic, and will let you know what I find out.
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It's a good thing that next to nobody buys these kind of cars based on how they perform when driven on the ragged edge around VIR! In the real world these cars are standouts, offering a unique blend of virtues that others don't. If you love the car for what it is then grab one at a discount and enjoy it relentlessly
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The body mods on the R-S are both cosmetic and functional - I agree with Matt that there was an element of style & and the desire to be distinctive in the visual changes, something taken even further with the R-S GT. However, there's a practical reason as well: high-speed stability.
My 75 is about 95% R-S - it has the suspension, exhaust and most of the horsepower. However, when I spoke to Paramount Performance about getting the 174mph limiter removed, they were cautious about offering it on a car without the R-S body mods. They said they'd be OK with increasing it to 186, but not beyond unless I signed a waiver - if it was an R-S, they'd be fine with raising it to 200.
So, although visual impact is part of the picture, the revised splitter and bigger wing are not purely for looks - they help keep the car on the road at very high speeds. In the US and most other places, this is probably all academic, unless you have access to a track with a long straight - but in Germany, it isn't. Anyone can take their R-S out on the autobahn and (in many places) go as fast as the car will run - and at 186 mph, I'd want a car glued to the tarmac, with plenty of downforce and no aero lift.
I'm being given the opportunity next week to interview one of the members of Jaguar's dynamics team that developed these 'upgraded' models. I'll be asking questions about this topic, and will let you know what I find out.
My 75 is about 95% R-S - it has the suspension, exhaust and most of the horsepower. However, when I spoke to Paramount Performance about getting the 174mph limiter removed, they were cautious about offering it on a car without the R-S body mods. They said they'd be OK with increasing it to 186, but not beyond unless I signed a waiver - if it was an R-S, they'd be fine with raising it to 200.
So, although visual impact is part of the picture, the revised splitter and bigger wing are not purely for looks - they help keep the car on the road at very high speeds. In the US and most other places, this is probably all academic, unless you have access to a track with a long straight - but in Germany, it isn't. Anyone can take their R-S out on the autobahn and (in many places) go as fast as the car will run - and at 186 mph, I'd want a car glued to the tarmac, with plenty of downforce and no aero lift.
I'm being given the opportunity next week to interview one of the members of Jaguar's dynamics team that developed these 'upgraded' models. I'll be asking questions about this topic, and will let you know what I find out.
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List of Top Gear test track Power Lap Times - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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01:23.1Maserati Gran Turismo MC Stradale
01:23.1Porsche 997 GT3
01:23.2Ferrari F430 Spider F
01:23.3Jaguar XKR-S
01:23.7Lamborghini Murciélago (retested)
01:23.8Pagani Zonda C12 S 7.3 (partly damp)
01:23.9Aston Martin DBS
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Oh, agreed - I'd just think hard about taking an XKR over 155 without the Speed Pack aero mods, or over 174 without the R-S ones. Even in stock condition, the car has more than enough power to exceed those speeds, but to do so safely, that's another thing. I've seen it said that the standard XKR shape can get a bit 'floaty' even at 155; having experienced the steering going light at high speed in my modified Ford Capri 3L back in the day, it's not something I wish to repeat.
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1. If Docuzzie means the drag race, where the XKR-S ran a 12.5 @ 118 mph, that is the slowest time I have seen posted for the XKR-S, with most in the 12.0-12.2 @ 120+mph times. Still, the 118 mph trap speed was faster than the three cars who finished slightly ahead of it. Watching the video, it looks like a poor launch, just no grip IMO. Also the track times at VIR and Lime Rock would greatly benefit from a real set of tires that don't grease up after 1 lap. Ditch the PZeros.
2. The XKR with tune+pulley+springs still doesn't have the same exhaust and other suspension upgrades as the XKR-S, unless you get the dynamic pack like DGL did. And like Ngarara says, the aero package is beneficial at higher speeds. Since it is a Jaguar factory modification, I like how it makes the car stand out and be different. I hope in the future this car is more desirable because of its much lower production numbers and for some of the wilder cosmetic differences.
I am also skeptical of the aftermarket tune. I offered them two thousand dollars to buy the tune if they could just show me 1 single dyno of all these XKR-S's they have tuned to 600+ hp like they are claiming. I have yet to hear back. I hope I do, but I'm not holding my breath. I am just really confused on how they can make a claim without having a single dyno sheet laying around. I am also skeptical that a Jaguar dealer invited them to have the exact XKR-S tune. Why in the world would they do that, yet the U.S. dealers cant even sell me a set of clear UK reflectors. I could be wrong but a dyno sheet would help somewhat, I think. I will reserve judgment for now but I am skeptical.
I agree with most here that the XKR-S won't be spending the majority of its time on a track. There are far better cars to run on a track if you want to compare numbers all day. What the XKR-S delivers in spades can't exactly be put into raw numbers in my opinion. It's more about the emotions, the feel of power, the sound of the raspy and popping exhaust, the feel and smell of the interior, and the dynamics of driving this beautiful machine that does it for me. I have had some great cars recently and I think this one is by far the best so far I have ever driven. It might not be the fastest or the lightest, but for me it is the best.
2. The XKR with tune+pulley+springs still doesn't have the same exhaust and other suspension upgrades as the XKR-S, unless you get the dynamic pack like DGL did. And like Ngarara says, the aero package is beneficial at higher speeds. Since it is a Jaguar factory modification, I like how it makes the car stand out and be different. I hope in the future this car is more desirable because of its much lower production numbers and for some of the wilder cosmetic differences.
I am also skeptical of the aftermarket tune. I offered them two thousand dollars to buy the tune if they could just show me 1 single dyno of all these XKR-S's they have tuned to 600+ hp like they are claiming. I have yet to hear back. I hope I do, but I'm not holding my breath. I am just really confused on how they can make a claim without having a single dyno sheet laying around. I am also skeptical that a Jaguar dealer invited them to have the exact XKR-S tune. Why in the world would they do that, yet the U.S. dealers cant even sell me a set of clear UK reflectors. I could be wrong but a dyno sheet would help somewhat, I think. I will reserve judgment for now but I am skeptical.
I agree with most here that the XKR-S won't be spending the majority of its time on a track. There are far better cars to run on a track if you want to compare numbers all day. What the XKR-S delivers in spades can't exactly be put into raw numbers in my opinion. It's more about the emotions, the feel of power, the sound of the raspy and popping exhaust, the feel and smell of the interior, and the dynamics of driving this beautiful machine that does it for me. I have had some great cars recently and I think this one is by far the best so far I have ever driven. It might not be the fastest or the lightest, but for me it is the best.
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1. If Docuzzie means the drag race, where the XKR-S ran a 12.5 @ 118 mph, that is the slowest time I have seen posted for the XKR-S, with most in the 12.0-12.2 @ 120+mph times. Still, the 118 mph trap speed was faster than the three cars who finished slightly ahead of it. Watching the video, it looks like a poor launch, just no grip IMO. Also the track times at VIR and Lime Rock would greatly benefit from a real set of tires that don't grease up after 1 lap. Ditch the PZeros.
2. The XKR with tune+pulley+springs still doesn't have the same exhaust and other suspension upgrades as the XKR-S, unless you get the dynamic pack like DGL did. And like Ngarara says, the aero package is beneficial at higher speeds. Since it is a Jaguar factory modification, I like how it makes the car stand out and be different. I hope in the future this car is more desirable because of its much lower production numbers and for some of the wilder cosmetic differences.
I am also skeptical of the aftermarket tune. I offered them two thousand dollars to buy the tune if they could just show me 1 single dyno of all these XKR-S's they have tuned to 600+ hp like they are claiming. I have yet to hear back. I hope I do, but I'm not holding my breath. I am just really confused on how they can make a claim without having a single dyno sheet laying around. I am also skeptical that a Jaguar dealer invited them to have the exact XKR-S tune. Why in the world would they do that, yet the U.S. dealers cant even sell me a set of clear UK reflectors. I could be wrong but a dyno sheet would help somewhat, I think. I will reserve judgment for now but I am skeptical.
I agree with most here that the XKR-S won't be spending the majority of its time on a track. There are far better cars to run on a track if you want to compare numbers all day. What the XKR-S delivers in spades can't exactly be put into raw numbers in my opinion. It's more about the emotions, the feel of power, the sound of the raspy and popping exhaust, the feel and smell of the interior, and the dynamics of driving this beautiful machine that does it for me. I have had some great cars recently and I think this one is by far the best so far I have ever driven. It might not be the fastest or the lightest, but for me it is the best.
2. The XKR with tune+pulley+springs still doesn't have the same exhaust and other suspension upgrades as the XKR-S, unless you get the dynamic pack like DGL did. And like Ngarara says, the aero package is beneficial at higher speeds. Since it is a Jaguar factory modification, I like how it makes the car stand out and be different. I hope in the future this car is more desirable because of its much lower production numbers and for some of the wilder cosmetic differences.
I am also skeptical of the aftermarket tune. I offered them two thousand dollars to buy the tune if they could just show me 1 single dyno of all these XKR-S's they have tuned to 600+ hp like they are claiming. I have yet to hear back. I hope I do, but I'm not holding my breath. I am just really confused on how they can make a claim without having a single dyno sheet laying around. I am also skeptical that a Jaguar dealer invited them to have the exact XKR-S tune. Why in the world would they do that, yet the U.S. dealers cant even sell me a set of clear UK reflectors. I could be wrong but a dyno sheet would help somewhat, I think. I will reserve judgment for now but I am skeptical.
I agree with most here that the XKR-S won't be spending the majority of its time on a track. There are far better cars to run on a track if you want to compare numbers all day. What the XKR-S delivers in spades can't exactly be put into raw numbers in my opinion. It's more about the emotions, the feel of power, the sound of the raspy and popping exhaust, the feel and smell of the interior, and the dynamics of driving this beautiful machine that does it for me. I have had some great cars recently and I think this one is by far the best so far I have ever driven. It might not be the fastest or the lightest, but for me it is the best.
I clearly want an XKR-S, but want a better price on one. My local dealership doesn't have one and will only special order one. I'm asking if any of you see one at your local dealiership and they're selling one in the 90k range, I am Most interested. Just send me the dealership information and I'll pursue from there.
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Docuzzie I picked mine up in your price range so it should be possible.
Have you tried doing a search on cargurus.com? That is where I found mine for sale at a dealership in Dallas.
Good luck and I hope you can find a nice XKR-S. Youre gonna love it.
Have you tried doing a search on cargurus.com? That is where I found mine for sale at a dealership in Dallas.
Good luck and I hope you can find a nice XKR-S. Youre gonna love it.
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Best pricing I've found is in the 114,000 range. That's still pretty intriguing considering the vehicle's original sticker was in the 143,000 range. I'm still trying to work them a bit more. Figure if I can get the XKR-S for under 108, then I've gotten a real deal.
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Now this is interesting: I spoke to Dave Pook, one of the Jaguar dynamics team that developed the 2008 R-S, the 75. the current R-S and the R-S GT. Apparently the R-S aero mods reduce lift by 26% compared to a standard XKR - but the Speed Pack kit achieves 25%, so the R-S improvements only give 1% extra.
So perhaps cosmetic effect was a greater influence that I thought.
So perhaps cosmetic effect was a greater influence that I thought.
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Docuzzie,
Below are links to several XKR-S' in the low $90's asking prices. A couple of them are essentially new cars, untitled with very low miles. Good luck.
Jaguar : XK R-S in Jaguar | eBay Motors
Jaguar : XK XKR-S in Jaguar | eBay Motors
Jaguar : XK XKR-S in Jaguar | eBay Motors
Jaguar : XK XKR-S COUPE in Jaguar | eBay Motors
Jaguar : XK 2dr Cpe XKR- in Jaguar | eBay Motors
Below are links to several XKR-S' in the low $90's asking prices. A couple of them are essentially new cars, untitled with very low miles. Good luck.
Jaguar : XK R-S in Jaguar | eBay Motors
Jaguar : XK XKR-S in Jaguar | eBay Motors
Jaguar : XK XKR-S in Jaguar | eBay Motors
Jaguar : XK XKR-S COUPE in Jaguar | eBay Motors
Jaguar : XK 2dr Cpe XKR- in Jaguar | eBay Motors
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Now this is interesting: I spoke to Dave Pook, one of the Jaguar dynamics team that developed the 2008 R-S, the 75. the current R-S and the R-S GT. Apparently the R-S aero mods reduce lift by 26% compared to a standard XKR - but the Speed Pack kit achieves 25%, so the R-S improvements only give 1% extra.
So perhaps cosmetic effect was a greater influence that I thought.
So perhaps cosmetic effect was a greater influence that I thought.
I personally have a hard time believing the huge front splitter alone on the XKR-S only accounts for an extra 1% over the speed pack. That thing is like a wind shovel.
You guys weren't drinking, were you?
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Docuzzie,
Below are links to several XKR-S' in the low $90's asking prices. A couple of them are essentially new cars, untitled with very low miles. Good luck.
Jaguar : XK R-S in Jaguar | eBay Motors
Jaguar : XK XKR-S in Jaguar | eBay Motors
Jaguar : XK XKR-S in Jaguar | eBay Motors
Jaguar : XK XKR-S COUPE in Jaguar | eBay Motors
Jaguar : XK 2dr Cpe XKR- in Jaguar | eBay Motors
Below are links to several XKR-S' in the low $90's asking prices. A couple of them are essentially new cars, untitled with very low miles. Good luck.
Jaguar : XK R-S in Jaguar | eBay Motors
Jaguar : XK XKR-S in Jaguar | eBay Motors
Jaguar : XK XKR-S in Jaguar | eBay Motors
Jaguar : XK XKR-S COUPE in Jaguar | eBay Motors
Jaguar : XK 2dr Cpe XKR- in Jaguar | eBay Motors
I think Docuzzie is looking for a rag top, black or tan.
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Here is a drop-top with black interior. 2013 Jaguar XK R-S, $114,000 - Cars.com
Here is another R-S in French Racing Blue for $89,000. Fantastic deal.http://www.jaguarchantilly.com/detai...tOrderBy=5%2C0
Here is another R-S in French Racing Blue for $89,000. Fantastic deal.http://www.jaguarchantilly.com/detai...tOrderBy=5%2C0
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Just a quick comment: Sold a red 911 turbo with factory aero kit, custom wheels, etc. It got some attention but nothing like my Brit. Green XKR-S. People comment in traffic, Always someone walking around the car when parked. People approach me who have seen it prior. Given lots of rides in it and then have more people asking for rides. I have red 86 911 track car and Audi s-7 with custom wheels. Have owned lots of others. Jag gets more attention than anything I have owned. Sound and interior help also. More than a quick comment I guess.
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Just came across this gorgeous red XKR-S in the $80's. Wow!
Jaguar : XKR xkrs in Jaguar | eBay Motors
Jaguar : XKR xkrs in Jaguar | eBay Motors
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Just came across this gorgeous red XKR-S in the $80's. Wow!
Jaguar : XKR xkrs in Jaguar | eBay Motors
Jaguar : XKR xkrs in Jaguar | eBay Motors