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Old 04-01-2011, 10:43 PM
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Using the existing switch is a much more elegant solution, so I will wait. I can bear the small additional cost.
 
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Old 04-01-2011, 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by WhiteXKR

-The installation is just a little more involved. In addition to the console wires, you will need to intercept a couple of wires in the trunk and one at the roof switch.
Ah... I think I see what you're doing. However, won't pushing the button to raise the top also raise the windows at the very start of the cycle? I don't see how you can use the convertible up button to raise the windows but also use the same button to initiate an idiot-proof retraction of the windows when you raise the top.

Also, I have no problem with you improving on my idea. I don't think anyone is here to patent ideas and make money. Reko posted the links to the convertible pump power connectors over in the voltage reduction thread. I've been searching for those connectors for days. I have no idea how Reko found them, but I figured since I was going to order a couple, I might as well order 20 to reduce the per-piece cost of shipping. I hope Reko doesn't mind that I'm going to assemble the whole unit and sell it for essentially my cost. He didn't indicate that he was going to try to make money by packaging all of the parts together, so I felt it was OK to do it myself.

On the other hand, Walt and Gus spent some time researching the hydraulic solution. I found the parts online for less than $100, but since they are actually marketing the solution I thought that it would be kinda rude of me to buy the parts and try to undercut their price.
 
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Old 04-02-2011, 12:51 AM
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I wish they had just designed this in consideration to the users who might want the rear windows up while driving. They could have very easily added the extra sequences to let you use the rear windows with the top down.
 
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Old 04-02-2011, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Reverend Sam
Ah... I think I see what you're doing. However, won't pushing the button to raise the top also raise the windows at the very start of the cycle? I don't see how you can use the convertible up button to raise the windows but also use the same button to initiate an idiot-proof retraction of the windows when you raise the top.
Here is a clue: Put your top down. Quickly punch the roof close button. You hear a 'DING', right? The top has not lifted yet, right? Now do it again. And again. See, you hear the start "DING" each time and can quickly press the roof close button over and over and not start the lift cycle.
 

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Old 04-02-2011, 12:02 PM
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Are you saying hat you will have to quickly hit the button to lower the windows then press again to raise the top? If so it isn't idiot proof and still could run into problems...just wondering
 
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Old 04-02-2011, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by 2002XK8Orlando
Are you saying hat you will have to quickly hit the button to lower the windows then press again to raise the top? If so it isn't idiot proof and still could run into problems...just wondering
No...you will need to quickly hit the button to RAISE the windows. When you HOLD the button to raise the top, the rear windows will automatically lower before the top reaches them. It will be idiotproof. I am even considering the case when you start the convertible raise cycle and then stop or abort it midway.

If you go back and look at pages 5 and 6 of the .pdf I posted in post #47 of this thread you will see the timing charts of the convertible open and close sequence. By using a some of these signals as indicators of where you are in a convertible top cycle, you can vary the behavior of the switch...that is the other key to how this works.
 

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Old 04-02-2011, 01:43 PM
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Ok thanks. That makes sense to me now lol
 
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Old 04-02-2011, 01:46 PM
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I'm getting excited
 
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Old 04-02-2011, 10:11 PM
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So am I!!!!!!


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Old 04-04-2011, 08:19 AM
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Just tried it out on the road. One point to mention: with the back windows up the rub against the cover for the top when it is fitted. Not bad but it does lift the outer edge of it. Doesn't look odd though and the casual observer probably wouldn't notice anything unusual. Less wind buffeting as well

It was more than worth the small amount I paid for it from RevSam.
 
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Old 04-04-2011, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by 2002XK8Orlando
Just tried it out on the road. One point to mention: with the back windows up the rub against the cover for the top when it is fitted. Not bad but it does lift the outer edge of it.
Hmmm....that is a bit disappointing ...guess that is a reason this feature was not enabled.
 
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Old 04-04-2011, 09:48 AM
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The windows don't rub my tonneau cover. The tonneau cover is supposed to be tucked in. If you leave the little flaps rubbing on the fender it will scratch the paint. With the flaps on the tonneau cover tucked in there is no rubbing.
 
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Old 04-04-2011, 10:31 AM
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My cover is tucked all around. Here are the pics without window up and then with window up.

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Old 04-04-2011, 10:33 AM
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and if you notice it pushed the cover back about 1/4" fromthe little ledge that the leading edge tucks into on the leather piece
 
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Old 04-04-2011, 01:34 PM
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That doesn't look too bad. A shoe repair guy could probably adjust the profile slightly on the cover if you want to fix it...or DIY if you are handy with a sewing awl.

Speedy Stitcher Sewing Awl at REI.com
 
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I didn't even notice that on mine. My tonneau is touching the window, and I guess the window pushes it back by maybe 1/4 inch, but it doesn't bother me. Like I said, I didn't even notice it until you pointed it out.
 
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Old 04-04-2011, 02:03 PM
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I am not worried about it. It just pushes back a bit and moves it slightly. I think over time it would wear on the cover but don't see me doing it that much
 
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Old 04-06-2011, 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by WhiteXKR
Not to beat a dead horse, but those of you who can wait for my parts to arrive, and for me to test out my mod have a good chance of being rewarded with a more integrated upgrade with the following features:

-Will use the exisitng roof switch on the console. A quick press will make the rear windows go up or down. A longer press will operate the roof.

-Has an 'idiotproof' autodown failsafe when the top is raised

-Avoids cutting a hole in your console storage box.

-No wire cutting, only wire taps, just like Sam's solution.

-The mod will be removable if that is ever desired.


The disadvantages relative to Sam's solution will be:

-It costs more: about $30 vs. $10.

-The installation is just a little more involved. In addition to the console wires, you will need to intercept a couple of wires in the trunk and one at the roof switch.


I do not want to post it until it is fully tested....probably a week or two from now.

And again, I would not be here doing this if Sam's idea did not spur me on...so Kudo's to Sam.

I protoyped the installation last night. It works!!!

Those of you who already implemented the separate switch can choose to implement just the fail-safe autodown portion if you wish.

Detailed instructions to follow soon.
 

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Old 04-06-2011, 09:32 AM
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Yea!
 
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Old 04-06-2011, 04:25 PM
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I can't wait! You're such a tease!
 


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