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Old Aug 12, 2021 | 04:19 PM
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If you do the replacement engine approach, how do you figure out if it's any good? Private sale (if it runs), do a compression test. Commercial (like Jagbits) based on the warranty? Seems like doing the rebuild is a much better approach since you know what you're getting (and how many miles are on the motor).
Thanks for your advice all.

Thats another reason why I dont want to change the engine, am I replacing a dodgy one with another.

from reading your replies I'm going to hold off looking to replace the engine and look to open the Cam covers and try to get a look at the valves.

I'm really short on time but will try and find some asap, I know no specialist tools are needed for the above but am I going to need some go to ones?
 

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Old Aug 13, 2021 | 03:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Phil m
I'm really short on time but will try and find some asap, I know no specialist tools are needed for the above but am I going to need some go to ones?
Above all you need a decent socket set with extensions and swivels to get to some of the harder to reach bolts on the cam cover. If you don't have what you need Amazon or Halfords have them for very little money.
 
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Old Aug 13, 2021 | 08:53 AM
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^^This

If you can lay your hands on a 1/4" or even 3/8" drive kit it will help with those awkward-to-get-to bolts on the rear.

Take note of the upper rearmost bolt on each cover (the ones not captive in a spacer). They're made out of magic metal so as not to affect the cam position sensor and should go back in the same location.

Good luck!
 
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Old Aug 13, 2021 | 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by NBCat
Under no circumstances is the crankshaft to be rotated in an anti clock direction as damage to the main and rod bearings is the result.
Very wrong, which shows you have no real engine knowledge. The reason for turning the engine backwards is that the chain tensioners are not designed to work in reverse and the chain may jump teeth.
 

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Old Aug 13, 2021 | 05:41 PM
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If I had this problem, this would be my simple approach.
If you squirt a little oil in each cylinder and the compression increases significantly, the problem is cylinder wall to piston ring sealing. Engine rebuild.
With no resolution there I'd pull the cam covers and check the primary and secondary chains for security. Rotate the engine to align the flats on the cams to make sure they're in sync. If exhaust cams don't move, the secondary timing chains are your problem, probably tensioners. Hopefully the pistons are OK because a valve and piston did not meet in anger. Keep fingers crossed.
If neither cam moves, the primary timing chains are the culprits.
If that's all OK and the cam flats align and the compression does not increase from the added oil, the heads are coming off and once they're off you'll probably find the problem upon inspection of the heads.
Good luck and please keep us posted.


 

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Old Aug 14, 2021 | 12:33 AM
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Stu ..if you look in the photo you can see where the valve has kissed the piston..game over
 
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Old Aug 14, 2021 | 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Pistnbroke
Stu ..if you look in the photo you can see where the valve has kissed the piston..game over

I circled the 2 spots in red where it looks to me like the valves have made contact with the piston. I would guess that the timing chain on that bank has jumped 2 teeth.
Solution would be valve job on both heads and new chains, guides, and tensioners. There is a chance that there might be
damage to the piston and rod when it hit the valves. Damage could be to the wrist pin or rod bearings. There maybe no damage but if there is you could throw a rod at a later date. It has happened to me once.
I would still take the cam covers off and and align the flats. If you align the flats on the left bank and the right bank is noticeably out of alignment it will confirm my diagnosis.
My opinion is a replacement engine. I would try to find the history of the engine if you can. I like to get an engine out of a car that has been in an accident. At least you know it was running before it got in the accident.
 
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Old Aug 14, 2021 | 05:57 AM
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Thanks for the information guts its certainly food for thought.....I think.
 

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Old Aug 14, 2021 | 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Phil m
Thanks for the information guts its certainly food for thought.....I think.
It sounds like you are getting a lot of possible choices. There are things that you could know for sure right now. One is do you have low and uneven compression on your engine. If you still are unsure of the test results I would try to clarifly that. It is the easiet and cheapest diagnositcs you can do.
The second think you know is that on one piston you have zero compression. The piston does appear to have valve impact. Anyway a visual inspection will at least let you know if the tensioner has failed so you have to remove the valve cover on that cylinder bank.
Also one other check you may want to do would be to pull the oil pan off and look for metal and plastic in the sump. If there is a lot of metal there then it may indicate the amount of damgage to the engine. Pulling off the oil pan off is not difficult. If the tensioner did fail and the engine had metal to metal contact the sump should have residue plastic and metal.
None of these inspections will cost much and will hopefully give a better idea of what is going on.
 
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Old Aug 15, 2021 | 11:32 AM
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Thanks again for all the great advice all, because of work commitments and that I might have to move the car to another storage place I'm going to take some time and work out what I want to do.

Option 1 - Reconditioned engine.

I could easily be back to where I am after spending 1000's'

Option 2 - Change the secondary tensioners along with open the head up to check the valves & pistons.

Option 3 - sell the car at auction.

I like option 2 but If either the tensioners, Pistons or valves have gone how likely is it that it has killed the engine too?

I found a really good step by step guide to changing the tensioners, it even includes tools and replacement parts you need to buy.

 
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Old Aug 16, 2021 | 10:26 AM
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I would just whip the covers off, 99% sure you will find out what your problems is and then the guys on the forum can give proper advice.
 
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Old Aug 16, 2021 | 04:41 PM
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I don't have the answers for ya but don't give up! It may be worth saving and is oh so much a pleasure to drive. Good luck, TM
 
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Old Aug 22, 2021 | 01:16 AM
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I know I said it before but when you did the compression test did you have all the plugs out and did you have the throttle fully open when cranking?
 
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Old Aug 24, 2021 | 07:56 AM
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Talking Another unsolved mystery

I guess we'll never know. Or maybe ?
 
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Old Aug 24, 2021 | 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Pistnbroke
Stu ..if you look in the photo you can see where the valve has kissed the piston..game over
Yeah, that'll do it. Pistons and valves never should meet.
But for future reference...
 
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Old Aug 25, 2021 | 05:05 AM
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Update - I've still not taken the covers off as yet due to work commitments and the fact I'm having to move the car at the end of the month but I will.

Further update to follow.

Cheers
 
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Old Aug 25, 2021 | 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Phil m
Update - I've still not taken the covers off as yet due to work commitments and the fact I'm having to move the car at the end of the month but I will.

Further update to follow.

Cheers
When you are able to get to it have a breaker bar and a good 6 sided socket (24mm I think?) handy so you can turn the motor to see valve operation and that the flats on each of the camshafts line up... is it 24mm?

Please ONLY turn the engine clockwise when looking from FRONT of the engine.
 
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Old Aug 25, 2021 | 06:52 AM
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Thanks for the advice Jay.
 
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Old Aug 25, 2021 | 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by JayJagJay
When you are able to get to it have a breaker bar and a good 6 sided socket (24mm I think?) handy so you can turn the motor to see valve operation and that the flats on each of the camshafts line up... is it 24mm?

Please ONLY turn the engine clockwise when looking from FRONT of the engine.
Yep, 24mm.
 
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Old Aug 25, 2021 | 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Kev-P-
Yep, 24mm.
Thank you, K! Need all the help I can get...
Just a warning,,, a long socket MIGHT not give you enough room with the fans in place... a short 24mm socket is your friend
 
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