XK8 / XKR ( X100 ) 1996 - 2006
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Which Head Gasket to Use (4.0 vs. 4.2)? Brand? Why?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #1  
Old 01-28-2013, 01:18 PM
BadDog's Avatar
Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 34
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default Which Head Gasket to Use (4.0 vs. 4.2)? Brand? Why?

I had a blown head gasket so I am using this opportunity to go through the entire top end of my 2000 XKR, including tensioners, water pump, etc... . I've read throughout the forum the advice to use the 4.2L head gasket instead of the 4.0 gasket. I also received advise to use the OEM Jaguar 4.2L gaskets (part no. AJ88987 and part no. AJ88988)(not too many places seem to carry the OEM, at least not from my Internet search).

I previously purchased the entire head gasket set for the 4.0L, before reading this advice. The reason everyone advises use of the 4.2L head gasket, as I understand it, is because the 4.2L head gasket has metal or other reinforcement at the critical point (around the piston area), whereas the 4.0L head gasket does not.

I dug out the 4.0L head gasket set I purchased. They are Eurospares 4.0L, part no. JLM20751 (entire head gasket set)(first two images). The Eurospares head gasket I previously purchased for this job has a metal reinforcement band around the circumference of the cylinder (see image attached). It looks more reinforced than the OEM 4.2L gasket.

The gasket image for the OEM Jaguar 4.2L head gasket (part no. AJ8-8988) (from XKs Unlimited) (image also attached) does not seem to have the metal bands around the top of the cylinder perimeter. I am not sure if or why I should opt for the OEM 4.2L head gasket.

As yet another option, although I haven't seen the Cometic 4.2L gasket first hand, the images of the Cometic gasket seem to show, and the name implies, that they use a multi-layer-system (MLS). They also sell them in multiple thicknesses (.030, .040, .070). (Ebay ad states: "Jaguar 3.8L / 4.2L V8 AJ33 and AJ35 UK Engine (C4376 Left Side; C4377 Right Side)".

Bottom line, I am concerned about which gasket to use. I'd hate to put all this work into the engine and use an inferior gasket. As a side note I did buy new headbolts. I will also check the head for warpage or cracks. Anyone have any experience with any of these gaskets, or other input? Sorry if I am making way too big of a deal over this. Thanks in advance.
 
Attached Thumbnails Which Head Gasket to Use (4.0 vs. 4.2)?   Brand?  Why?-052.jpg   Which Head Gasket to Use (4.0 vs. 4.2)?   Brand?  Why?-049.jpg   Which Head Gasket to Use (4.0 vs. 4.2)?   Brand?  Why?-f28903910-xks-unlimited-ja-aj8-8988-.jpg  

Last edited by BadDog; 01-28-2013 at 01:20 PM.
  #2  
Old 01-28-2013, 10:19 PM
avos's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Europe
Posts: 3,615
Received 1,062 Likes on 759 Posts
Default

The OEM 4.2 are also MLS ones, and are about 0.030 thick. You can't go wrong with these, they are even holding up on my engine ;-). Its very uncommon for the 4.2 engines to get head gasket failures, contrary to 4.0 engines with the composite head gasket.
 
The following 4 users liked this post by avos:
Hdpartsman00XKR (02-01-2013), Panthro (05-03-2019), plums (01-29-2013), User 070620 (01-08-2019)
  #3  
Old 01-08-2019, 05:49 AM
User 070620's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 1,462
Received 301 Likes on 148 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by avos
The OEM 4.2 are also MLS ones, and are about 0.030 thick. You can't go wrong with these, they are even holding up on my engine ;-). Its very uncommon for the 4.2 engines to get head gasket failures, contrary to 4.0 engines with the composite head gasket.
question: I must do a new head gasket for my new 4.8L engine (with holes for 92mm pistons) that will be built by a specialized company. I looked in the block and in the heads that the water passages in the original gaskets are closed. Could it cool off better to make new head gaskets with these open holes?
 

Last edited by User 070620; 01-08-2019 at 07:41 AM.
  #4  
Old 01-08-2019, 11:50 PM
avos's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Europe
Posts: 3,615
Received 1,062 Likes on 759 Posts
Default

Best to ask your specialized company, I wouldn't do it because you will affect the flow in such a way that the rear of the engines/heads will have much less coolant flow with all the consequences...

RSR did bore little holes there though, which iirc was to be able to release potential micro steam bubbles. As they have sold you the engine, they should be able to give you an advice there as well. I never went that route and choose evans coolant to reduce that particular chance
 
The following 2 users liked this post by avos:
Panthro (05-03-2019), User 070620 (01-09-2019)
  #5  
Old 01-09-2019, 01:01 AM
User 070620's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 1,462
Received 301 Likes on 148 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by avos
Best to ask your specialized company, I wouldn't do it because you will affect the flow in such a way that the rear of the engines/heads will have much less coolant flow with all the consequences...

RSR did bore little holes there though, which iirc was to be able to release potential micro steam bubbles. As they have sold you the engine, they should be able to give you an advice there as well. I never went that route and choose evans coolant to reduce that particular chance
thank you. Tony Gentilozzi was more interested in selling me the engine than to follow this project until the end. The heads gaskets that he sent me are wrong (some holes in the water passage are uncovered). on the advice of Ferlito, I will have them redone with sporting material with the 92mm pistons holes but like oem
I'm using the Motul MoCool product
 
  #6  
Old 01-09-2019, 05:37 AM
avos's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Europe
Posts: 3,615
Received 1,062 Likes on 759 Posts
Default

I take it Tony send you Cometic gaskets for a Lincoln ls engine, although very close to ours these indeed do not close of the some coolant holes from the jaguar/Landrover blocks. The partnos above are correct, they have for these stock and 93mm bores available, even different thicknesses.
 
  #7  
Old 01-10-2019, 11:27 AM
Tijoe's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Kalispell, Montana
Posts: 1,541
Received 585 Likes on 392 Posts
Default

Question for you.
Are you using older 4.0 heads, or AM heads, or did you have your head chambers reworked? See image below.
I still wonder what is the best chamber shape. (Asked this question in the past on the forum.)
Shape effects swirl and tumble and compression..
It doesn't look like your chamber is 92mm, otherwise I would see more room around the valves.
Thanks.

 

Last edited by Tijoe; 01-10-2019 at 11:32 AM. Reason: add text, spelling
  #8  
Old 01-11-2019, 08:05 AM
User 070620's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 1,462
Received 301 Likes on 148 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Tijoe
Question for you.
Are you using older 4.0 heads, or AM heads, or did you have your head chambers reworked? See image below.
I still wonder what is the best chamber shape. (Asked this question in the past on the forum.)
Shape effects swirl and tumble and compression..
It doesn't look like your chamber is 92mm, otherwise I would see more room around the valves.
Thanks.


they are not my heads. I am a simple image of the web. it was only used to make the issue of water passages understand
 
  #9  
Old 01-11-2019, 10:55 AM
Tijoe's Avatar
Veteran Member
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Kalispell, Montana
Posts: 1,541
Received 585 Likes on 392 Posts
Thumbs up

Originally Posted by deuce2000
they are not my heads. I am a simple image of the web. it was only used to make the issue of water passages understand
I See. Thanks.
 
  #10  
Old 12-03-2021, 06:47 PM
12jagmark's Avatar
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 486
Received 173 Likes on 130 Posts
Default

Littledan, I know you pulled the whole engine, but if you only had to replace camshaft cover gaskets, does it look to you like they can be done without pulling the engine?
No matter how long I look at it, it just looks too tight to get to them in situ. Especially with having to pull injectors.
Valve cover gaskets typically aren't a big deal, but this just looks too tight to get to them.
 
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Wolfy
XJ ( X351 )
53
04-06-2019 10:40 PM
vicom
XJS ( X27 )
22
09-17-2015 03:32 AM
bavareze
PRIVATE For Sale / Trade or Buy Classifieds
0
09-11-2015 01:49 AM
1964Daimler
MKI / MKII S type 240 340 & Daimler
2
09-09-2015 11:20 AM
hoodun
XJS ( X27 )
1
09-07-2015 07:12 PM

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 


Quick Reply: Which Head Gasket to Use (4.0 vs. 4.2)? Brand? Why?



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:24 AM.