I just read this. If Jaguar shuts down sales in the US, how do you think that will effect parts availability for our XK8/XKRs??

I personally feel their current lineup is not for me. It looks like others feel the same way. They have voted with their lack of sales.

If I can maintain my XK8 into the future with a supply of parts, I understand the decision to shut down. I blame management and their poor product decisions.

Do you think we can keep our cars serviced and on the road going forward??

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/j...up%20in%202025.

 

The inventory is still the inventory and they'll still sell what they have in stock through Land Rover dealers until its all gone. (If there was anything you were on the fence about replacing, that slightly scuffed piece of trim for instance, buy it now.) The LR dealers will still service warranty work on Jaguars but many are already referring out of warranty work to independent shops because they lost capacity when they shut down their Jaguar side (some like my closest dealer was across the street from their LR house and closed up the Jaguar building so now have half as many bays). Not sure if JLR Classic will ever stock anything for our modern Jaguars. Seems it was mostly servicing E-types and older models anyway.

But don't bother trying to drive your Jaguar cross-country anymore. Two years ago I had to stop for help at a Jaguar dealer 950 miles from home. They got me on my way in an hour, but I've since read that dealer is closed now. My local indie was already overwhelmed before all this and was already scheduling repair appointments a couple of months out. Sadly, its quickly becoming an orphan brand. That's tolerable for a weekend toy car but not for daily transportation unless you have a whole fleet of them for backup or certainly not for a car you drive on vacation. My two Jags will probably have to stay within 200 miles of home from now on because that's as far as my AAA Premium membership will tow me. I have a new Mustang on order so that I'll have something that I can drive anywhere and rest assured that if it broke down that there's a dealer in many small towns across America that could fix it with a minimum of trip disruption.

 

It will be left up to suppliers such as SNG Barratt Group and the various indie shops to help keep these XK8s and XKRs on the road. Businesses that can 3-D print the various high-demand plastic parts will also have to be part of the equation as these cars continue to age. I have long stated that my wife's 2006 XK8 will be our last Jaguar. I certainly would not purchase one now....

 

WOW ! So the sky is falling , RUN EVERYONE !!!

with all due respect, I don’t think much of your so-called advice. You sound like a control freak. Someone who thinks control is the only path forward.

Fortunately, I know better.

Letting go of fear and going into the future not knowing what is around the next bend in the road is what makes life an adventure worth living.

I’ve been driving obsolete cars and motorcycles cross country for 50 + years. Including a road trip up the entire South American section of the Pan Am Highway, all the way from Santiago Chile to northern Colombia.

if I listened to Buzz-kill’s like you I’d be watching reality shows on TV instead of living for adventure.

my 2002 XKR still has many more cross country road trips left in it. And I’m not ready for living on a couch quite yet either.

Z

 

Weren't they going to introduce an entirely new EV lineup in 2025? Is that dead now? Are they closing up shop for good?

That's sad no matter how you look at it. I'm a young guy that has been a fan of Jaguar for almost his entire life. Yet, the only Jag I would've considered buying in the current lineup was the F-type, the rest just didn't excite me or really have Jaguar DNA in them. It's sad that the company was mismanaged to hell. Hopefully this isn't the end for Jaguar. I keep hoping that they will somehow rise again like the phoenix. Maybe they need to be sold to another company that understands what Jaguar really is and can revive them, like BMW did for Mini and Rolls-Royce and VW did for Bentley.

One big problem Jaguar has is that they are famous for saloons and grand tourers and sports cars. Those three segments are considerably losing market share. The public has become enamored with (yuck) crossovers, and unfortunately the Jaguar offerings didn't capture the hearts and wallets of customers. They also had the misfortune of sharing a showroom with Land-Rover, which is known for their SUVs and cross-overs.

I may be alone in this opinion, but I think Jaguar would've been in much better financial position if Ford had not sold it and instead keeping it as a boutique luxury brand. A sort of bridge between brands like Mercedes and brands like Ferrari and Bentley. If under Ford's ownership, they didn't have to take care not to step on Aston's toes, they could've been positioned as a highly aspirational brand with grand tourers and sports cars rivaling Aston Martin, Ferrari, and Porsche, while offering a "bargain" alternative to Rolls and Bentley saloons. A concerted supercar effort to challenge the big three would've also been feasible in this arrangement, perhaps loosely sharing platform with the Ford GT, in an effort to generate interest in the brand instead of just a profit.

But instead, Ford sold it to Tata, who tried to bring Jaguar downmarket to challenge BMW, which of course ended up being a disaster.

 

There was a Hagerty article recently on Jaguar's move to EVs: https://www.hagerty.com/media/news/t...0e41eb49790de2

I emailed it to my son with the comment that "You will have my (gas powered) Jaguars when I am no longer able to drive them!"

to which he replied "And I shall drive them with pride ceremoniously revving the engine when I pull up next to a new EV."

 

these cars are at the mercy of what jlr classic can stock, good used parts and whatever garbage uro\mtc\eurospare can push out. nothing changes

 

They bet the farm on EVs. And, as we know, EV sales fell on their face. If Tesla is struggling to sell 5-figure EVs, how much less likely is Jag to sell 6-figure variants? I think the writing is on the wall and the fat lady is clearing her throat.

 

I used to be far less risk-averse when I was younger, racing and driving my modified Supra all over the US and Canada, attending events. I've had my share of mis-adventures trying to track down replacement parts by telephone from motel rooms, waiting up to four days on a delivery with nothing to do but watch the five channels on the small-town motel television, and then doing the repairs in the parking lot with nothing but the most basic hand tools. My current risk aversion boils down to having a lot more responsibilities now and people counting on me than when I was young. Maybe after I retire I could make a long trip again in one of the old Jags just for the purpose of enjoying the car, but I'd have some backup plans, carry some spare parts along, and allow ample time in case of a mishap. Ideally I'd go in a group with the local Jaguar club - more fun that way anyway. But I was really aiming my comment at those who are taking the grandkids to Disneyworld, going to a daughter's wedding, making a business trip, etc. Those kind of trips, you don't want to risk extended interruptions.

 

2,000 mile trip to daughters wedding in 2002 XKR (18 year old car at that time): Check.

took daughter on 2,200 mile trip in 1966 Shelby GT350 (47 year old car at that time): check

took both daughters on 3,100 trip in 1966 Ford Galaxie 500 (49 year old car at that time): check

took both daughters and two grandkid (toddlers) on 1,900 mile trip in same Galaxie, (54 year old car at that time) : check

business trip + high school reunion combo trip : 1,800 mile trip in 1965 Ford Mustang k code (51 year old car at that time) check (had a flat tire)

I won’t mention trips under 1,000 miles; too many to list.

flying on Boeing: no check, too risky.



I don’t consider any of these travels risky, just adventurous. I put a lot of miles on cars, so they are road tested reliable. If I was to have an unexpected breakdown, as happened when I bought my Galaxie (trash in fuel tank) and was driving it 800 miles home I just have the vehicle towed and head for the nearest airport. And try to avoid Boeings.

And I love flying. Did so for business for 40 years. my first commercial flight was on a swell Boeing 707, and the connecting one was on a Douglas DC-3, I consider those birds to be rock solid, unlike today’s crapshoot in the sky.

But everyone has different outlooks, priorities, and philosophies, I understand that. It would be a boring world if everyone responded to life and challenges the same way.

 

Jaguar have 8 different models currently on sale, only one of which is an EV. It's the current lineup of Jaguar vehicles which aren't selling, not the future lineup, so its seems the buying public don't want gas guzzlers either, despite what the oil company marketing machine has you believing.

Land Rover is the brand that is selling and they plan to go down the EV route also.

The reality is Jaguar is going to go the same way as other British brands, sold off to foreign ownership, with the badge eventually ending up in the hands of the Chinese, just like has happened to MG.

 

I think you should take a reality check! Jaguar was sold to a foreign owner (Ford) in 1999, and then to Tata Motors in India in 2008. So 25 years later you think that may happen?

 

Time will tell, but EV sales everywhere have tanked. Ford has lost vast amounts of money, GM and Toyota are scaling back, Tesla has major problems. If the EV demand were high and companies other than Jaguar were selling as many as they could build, then I'd agree that the problem was Jag-specific.