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Old 05-04-2017, 07:03 PM
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Head Gasket(s) blown on my XK8 1997 4.0

I've got the timing chains and cams off and the head bolts out, but the passenger-side head is sticking to the engine block.
I have tried using a rubber mallet
Also levering with a crow bar in safe places.

No good so far.

Tomorrow, I will attempt to remove the other head so that I better understand the internal studs and guides.

However I would like to jump to my next plan in the hope of getting feedback from anyone who has done this sort of thing:
I have heard that I could block up the "valley" and lever against the inlet ports.
However I like the idea of pressure from the inside, after all that's what the engine was built to cope with
So.....
Because the cams are off, the valves are all closed.
I am thinking that I can then do the "rope trick"
i.e. insert rope through spark plug recess and fill the open cylinder(s)
then hand crank the crank via the pulley bolt
This should force the piston upwards against the head and the rope should ensure some pressure internally against the head.

I will take the other head off to make sure that my assumption that the valves are closed is correct.

Has anyone done this, or know anything that I'm missing?
 
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Old 05-04-2017, 07:37 PM
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Post a picture of the head. You might of .missed the 2 bolts at the front of the head that are a different size of the regular head bolts.
 
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Old 05-04-2017, 07:44 PM
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Hi Bob Roy

I'll get out there tomorrow morning and get some photos.
Its 1.40 am here now so a bit dark out.

I'll look for the two bolts; do they go in at the front of the head at a different angle?

It would explain my struggle!
 
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Old 05-04-2017, 07:50 PM
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From memory they take a 10mm socket to remove and they are under the VVT.
 
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Old 05-04-2017, 07:51 PM
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Hi Bob Roy

I think you are right.
I've just looked at Dale Huxfords video
and I didn't undo the front two bolts.

Looking forward to getting a look at it.

Thank you!
 
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Old 05-04-2017, 07:58 PM
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Good luck. Are you using multi layered steel headgaskets as replacements. It is what most use upon replacement of headgaskets.
 
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As per BobRoy, the bolts marked as letter B would be the 2 10mm hex head bolts in the front.






 
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Old 05-05-2017, 06:40 AM
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Straight out there this morning and yes indeed the bolts were still there.
The head was off in under five minutes once I took them out.
Doh!!
Thank you both Bob Roy and JBzXJ40.

So, this is the first head off.
My impression is that the last head gasket replacement was done pretty poorly.
The surface of the block is scratched and the gasket is not multi layered steel.
(Bob Roy, I will use MLS when I replace.)
However I do not see any very obvious area where it is blown.
Having trouble attaching photos, will try again.
 
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Old 05-05-2017, 06:45 AM
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What was your origional problem that caused you to remove the heads?
 
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Old 05-05-2017, 06:53 AM
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Sudden and catastrophic overheating accompanied by total coolant loss.
This seemed to be blown out under pressure, perhaps from the coolant reservoir but definitely from the valley area.
The valley pipes seem okay, but I will be replacing them.
Like you, I wonder if I got the diagnosis wrong.
 
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Old 05-05-2017, 06:57 AM
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Check your water pump. The impellers are known to fail.
 
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Old 05-05-2017, 06:58 AM
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Did you do a compression test before removing heads?
 
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Old 05-05-2017, 07:04 AM
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I've had that off and looked at the impellers which seem fine.
Noticed that it's a little stiff to turn and don't know how it should be.
Photo attached, I think it looks okay?
 
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Old 05-05-2017, 07:07 AM
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No, stupidly I didn't do a compression test.
Should have but I was so certain that it was the head gasket.
(Still, I've enjoyed taking it apart)
I'm not sure what else would blow the coolant out so quickly?
 
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I'm learning.
The hard way.
 
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Old 05-05-2017, 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by martinrichard
I'm learning.
The hard way.
Thats the way I learn.

Others arw more knowledgeable about cooling system than me.
 
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Thanks for your help!
 
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Old 05-05-2017, 07:59 AM
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In the future if you have all the bolts out and still have trouble removing a cylinder head, an old trick is to remove the timing chain so that all valves are closed then turn the engine using a socket on the crank until one of the two pistons in the middle of that bank is at its lowest point. If it is an engine (like on an MGB) where the two outer pistons go up and down together, then using the two outer cylinders feed several feet of nylon rope into the cylinder(s), then turn the crank again using the socket and a breaker bar on the crank nut so that the piston pushes the rope against the head. This is usually enough to pop the head free without damage. You don't ever want to pry on an aluminum head. This trick was used to remove the cylinder jugs from radial aircraft engines and I've used it several times with success.
 
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