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2002 XKR
While driving car displayed code and went to idle. Disconnected and reconnected battery and car ran normally
shows Code P-1121 - pedal sensor range performance
checked PP1 and PP2 with meter
.93V @ idle to 2.87 at full throttle
.60V at idle to 4.53V at full throttle
duplicated this 2 times.
Question:
is this correct PP1 and PP2 span?
If not what is correct?
Thanks for the help
 
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No it isn't, I'm afraid.
Try a Google on 'jaguar forum TPS replacement' for the sad and bad news.
 
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Steve thanks. The tread was very informative. I gather that the correct range is 0-5 V on PP1 and PP2? I will try to find a used TPS to replace my defective one.
 
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At the moment it's the only solution.
IF you're feeling brave you can do what I did, pull it apart and use electrical contact cleaner but I don't know how long that will last and it's at your risk JIC it conks out on a level crossing.
Good luck.
 
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Originally Posted by applitech
............... I will try to find a used TPS to replace my defective one.
When the TPS on my 2001 XK8 failed, I got away with a battery disconnect / reconnect with a P1121 code clear about six more times before it died completely.

You are almost certainly living on borrowed time with this TPS.

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Are the PP1 and PP2 the two terminals on the TPS?
 
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This is the link the OP used, hope that helps
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x...acement-77560/
 
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I am going to try Steve's advice and remove the unit and clean it with electric contact cleaner. It might help and at this point it can't hurt. After cleaning I will check PP1 and PP2 again and post the readings. In any case there appear to be two places on the web that rebuild throttle bodies. I will check them out. Has anyone had experience with a rebuilt TB?
 
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This procedure might help

Link JagRepair.com - Jaguar Repair Information Resource

Also a little information on my TB trouble and rebuild

Link JagRepair.com - Jaguar Repair Information Resource
 
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Originally Posted by applitech
I am going to try Steve's advice and remove the unit and clean it with electric contact cleaner. It might help and at this point it can't hurt. After cleaning I will check PP1 and PP2 again and post the readings. In any case there appear to be two places on the web that rebuild throttle bodies. I will check them out. Has anyone had experience with a rebuilt TB?
You've got nothing to lose except a bit of downtime.
Let us know how you get on.
There'd be no harm in giving the wipers a bit of a bend to increase contact pressure.
Put it back together with sticky tape (Micropore is very good!) and check volts before re-installing it.
I found a WallWart in my box of them that gave 5V regulated so I used that.
If the output is still not near 5V at WOT then clean more aggressively - you could use chrome polish or even a very fine wet + dry.
 
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Are the correct PP1 and PP2 outputs 0-5V and one is redundant and a check on the other or is it an ETCS-1 system that tracks a differential in the 2 voltages?
 
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Old 02-06-2013, 10:07 AM
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It tracks the differential - look at the graphs on my post.
One track is linear, the other has a built in offset resistor on the bottom end.
Both wipers end up at end-of-track at WOT so both should give very nearly the full volts across the tracks at WOT.
 
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Thanks. I re-read your earlier post more carefully this time and it has all the data I need. Jaguar makes it hard to do a work-around don't they.
 
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It can only be deliberate.
I can get a non-contact programmable version made but the setup costs are around £1000 and it has proven impossible to get a bulk buy sorted.
I suggested to the manufacturer they could make good money by offering them but no interest.
I'd imagine a bit of tinkering with an op-amp could derive the second output from one linear pot.
 
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I finally addressed the TPS problem. The sensor was cleaned carefully with electric contact cleaner and reinstalled. To date I have driven about 500 miles and so far so good. No new error codes and the car runs normally.
 
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Originally Posted by applitech
I finally addressed the TPS problem. The sensor was cleaned carefully with electric contact cleaner and reinstalled. To date I have driven about 500 miles and so far so good. No new error codes and the car runs normally.
Others have Cleaned and re-installed the TPS with mixed results, but it sure is the first thing to try.
 
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