Car is V8S - engine is always a bit clattery when switching off. Been like that since new. Is this a normal?

Going in for a routine service this week and as its the last year of warranty will mention it if its not supposed to be like that.

 

Mine does that too.

 

You could mention it to the Service Advisor when you take it in, but the 5.0L tends to be that way. Never had a complaint about it before, but it could be due to the Supercharger, they have a plastic coupling inside, they were notorious for making clattery noises while running though on the 4.0L S/C. Keep in mind the fuel system too, it does sound louder when running due to the direct injection, the fuel pumps are chain driven off the crank, but they are at the bottom on the RH side of the block. I don't think you have anything to worry about it, but just mention it to Service Advisor and have the dealer check it just to make sure.


I know on the Land Rover side there have been issues with the snout of the supercharger, which uses the exact same engine. Haven't seen any issues on the Jaguar side of things though.

 

I have a LR4, can you expand on Landrover issue?

 

My V6S does this also since new.

 

The Land Rover's affected are the ones with a 5.0L S/C engine. There is a bulletin for Jaguar, as well for Land Rover, but I personally haven't seen the issue with Jaguar side yet, just on the Land Rover side.


JTB00349v2

TECHNICAL BULLETIN

22 MAY 2014







© Jaguar Land Rover Limited
All rights reserved.




Information




This reissue replaces all previous versions. Please destroy all previous versions.

This bulletin supersedes TSB JTB00349/2014 dated 07 APR 2014, which should either be destroyed or clearly marked to show it is no longer valid (e.g. with a line across the page). Only refer to the electronic version of this Technical Bulletin in TOPIx.



SECTION:
303-12C


Subject/Concern:
5.0L Supercharger Noise


AFFECTED VEHICLE RANGE:
Model:Model Year:VIN:XK Range (X150)2010-2014
B32753 Onwards
F-TYPE (X152) 2014 Onwards
K00001 Onwards
XF (X250)2010-2014
R47154 Onwards
XJ Range (X351)2010-2014
V00001 Onwards


MARKETS:
All


CONDITION SUMMARY:

Situation:

A Customer may report a concern of a loud clattering/rattle/knocking type noise from the engine. Investigation reveals the noise is being emitted from the supercharger.
This version has been issued for a change to the Service Instruction and Parts Required.
Cause:


The torsional isolator and or the torsional isolator spring support shaft are wearing causing excessive backlash in the supercharger drive.
Suggested Customer Concern Code N11.

Action:


Should a customer express concern, follow the Service Instruction outlined below.




PARTS:
Part NumberDescriptionQuantity: C2D38554
Supercharger Spring Isolator Kit (Denso As Required)

1
C2D38553
Supercharger Spring Isolator Kit (Bosch As Required)

1
AJ811576
Gasket - Right

1
AJ811590
Gasket - Left

1


WARRANTY:
Vehicle Model Model YearsVIN RangeC2D38554 (Denso)C2D38553 (Bosch)XJ (X351)2010 to 2013V00001 to V39426Yes-XJ (X351)2014 onwardsV39427 onwards-YesXF (X250)2010 to 2013R47154 to S61361Yes-XF (X250)2014 onwardsS61362-YesXK (X150)2010 onwardsB32753 onwardsYes-F-Type (X152)2014 onwardsK00001-YesNOTES:

• Repair procedures are under constant review, and therefore times are subject to change; those quoted here must be taken as guidance only. Always refer to TOPIx to obtain the latest repair time.
• DDW requires the use of causal part numbers. Labor only claims must show the causal part number with a quantity of zero.

DESCRIPTIONSROTIME (HOURS)CONDITION CODECAUSAL PARTF-Type 5.0L SC 18.50.693.742C2D38553XK 5.0L SC 18.50.694.342C2D38553 XF 5.0L SC (Up to VIN 2012S61361) 18.50.695.242C2D38553XF 5.0L SC (VIN 2013S61362 Onwards) 18.50.694.742C2D38553XJ 5.0L SC (Up to VIN 2012V39426) 18.50.695.242C2D38553XJ 5.0L SC (VIN 2013V39427 Onwards) 18.50.694.742C2D38553NOTE:
Normal Warranty procedures apply.


SERVICE INSTRUCTION:

NOTE:
See the table above for the part numbers that apply to affected vehicle lines.

1. Remove the supercharger drive belt (see TOPIx Workshop Manual Section 303-05 Supercharger Belt) and rotate the supercharger pulley by hand.
   
2. Use the supercharger spring isolator kit: When there is a clunk or knocking noise from the supercharger or if there is significant free play when turning the pulley before the rotors start to turn (see Workshop Manual, Section 303-12, Supercharger Spring Isolator).
   
3. Refer to the symptoms in items 1 to 3 below – if any of these are present install a new supercharger. This must be done as a separate Warranty Claim.
   1. The pulley does not rotate freely – for example if it sticks, if it is difficult to move, or if roughness can be felt in the bearing during rotation.
   2. The blades/rotors are damaged. Please be advised light rotor contact will result in a polished appearance this is normal and does not indicate damage to the rotors.
   3. The customer reported an excessive whine noise from the supercharger.

 

Im not sure about the LR4 for the US market. If the LR4 is available with a 5.0L S/C, then it will most likely fall into the bulletin under that model, I do know the RR Sports are affected. This noise will be more noticeable while the engine is running, and when you rev it up, not so much when turning the engine off. I'm not aware of any bulletins for the V6 S/C having this issue. See the other tech bulletin below for metallic clicking or rasping noise. As I said, if you believe it might be an issue, raise the concern with the dealer and have them listen to it. The 5.0L and even the 3.0L S/C do sound a bit louder at idle when running due to the style of fuel injection. Hope this helps.

















JTB00394v3

TECHNICAL BULLETIN

07 SEP 2015







© Jaguar Land Rover Limited
All rights reserved.




Information




This bulletin supersedes TSB JTB00394v2/2015 dated 27 JAN 2015, which should either be destroyed or clearly marked to show it is no longer valid (e.g. with a line across the page). Only refer to the electronic version of this Technical Bulletin in TOPIx.



SECTION:
303-04


Subject/Concern:
Metallic Clicking Or Rasping Noise Coming From The Engine


AFFECTED VEHICLE RANGE:
Model:Model Year:VIN:Assembly Plant: Applicability:XJ Range (X351)2013-2015
V39427-V92371
Castle BromwichV6 S/C 3.0L Petrol XF (X250)2013-2015
S76015-U88785
Castle BromwichV6 S/C 3.0L Petrol F-TYPE (X152)2014-2016
K03163-K30719
Castle BromwichV6 S/C 3.0L Petrol XF (X260)2016
Y00001-Y03720
Castle BromwichV6 S/C 3.0L Petrol

MARKETS:
All


CONDITION SUMMARY:

Situation:


A customer may express a concern that there is a metallic clicking/rasping type noise coming from the engine. The noise may be more noticeable when the engine is at idle speed and when the engine is cold. This bulletin will help to determine if the noise is emitted from one of the high pressure fuel pumps located in the engine bay.This version has been created to amend the Affected Vehicle Range.

Cause:


High pressure fuel pump outlet valve noisy.Suggested Customer Concern Code - MB6.

Action:

Should a customer express this concern, follow the Service Instruction below.



PARTS:
NOTE:
Additional parts such as high pressure fuel pipes may be required for repairs following this diagnostic. Refer to TOPIx Workshop Manual for repair instructions.

Part NumberDescriptionQuantity: C2D43874
High pressure fuel pump

1
AJ813042
High pressure fuel pump - rear - AWD

1


TOOLS:


SDD DVD142.06 and Calibration File 215 loaded or later

JLR approved diagnostic tool (SDD)















JLR approved battery support unit















WARRANTY:
NOTES:

• Repair procedures are under constant review, and therefore times are subject to change; those quoted here must be taken as guidance only. Always refer to TOPIx to obtain the latest repair time.
• DDW requires the use of causal part numbers. Labor only claims must show the causal part number with a quantity of zero.

DESCRIPTIONSROTIME (HOURS)CONDITION CODECAUSAL PARTXF (X250) 2WD front high pressure fuel pump 19.45.303.042C2Z22287XF (X250) AWD front high pressure fuel pump 19.45.303.842C2Z22287XF (X250) 2WD rear high pressure fuel pump 19.45.313.042C2Z22287XF (X250) AWD rear high pressure fuel pump 19.45.314.142AJ813042XF (X260) front high pressure fuel pump 19.45.301.842C2Z22287XF (X260) rear high pressure fuel pump 19.45.311.842C2Z22287XJ (X351) 2WD LHD front high pressure fuel pump 19.45.303.042C2Z22287XJ (X351) 2WD RHD front high pressure fuel pump 19.45.303.142C2Z22287XJ (X351) AWD front high pressure fuel pump 19.45.303.942C2Z22287XJ (X351) 2WD LHD rear high pressure fuel pump 19.45.313.042C2Z22287XJ (X351) 2WD RHD rear high pressure fuel pump 19.45.313.242C2Z22287XJ (X351) AWD rear high pressure fuel pump 19.45.313.942AJ813042F-Type (X152) LHD front high pressure fuel pump 19.45.302.842C2Z22287F-Type (X152) RHD front high pressure fuel pump 19.45.302.942C2Z22287F-Type (X152) LHD rear high pressure fuel pump 19.45.312.842C2Z22287F-Type (X152) RHD rear high pressure fuel pump 19.45.313.042C2Z22287Fuel pump test - SDD 19.90.180.342C2Z22287NOTE:
Normal Warranty procedures apply.


SERVICE INSTRUCTION:

1. NOTE:
   Direction arrow indicates the front of the engine.
   
   
   
   The illustration shows the high pressure fuel pumps and their possible alternate designation.
   1. Pump 1 - Right or front
   2. Pump 2 - Left or rear
2. The diagnostic procedure that follows will aid in the diagnosis of which of the high pressure fuel pumps is noisy.
   
3. NOTE:
   Carry out the diagnostic routine on a cold engine (less than 35°C) at idle speed with the bonnet open.
   
   Carry out the following diagnostic routine, listening for the suspected fuel pump noise. As the fuel pumps are deactivated in turn it should be possible to diagnose which pump is noisy as the metallic clicking will stop when that fuel pump is no longer running. Only replace a noisy pump. If no difference can be determined from either pump during the diagnostic routine further diagnostics would be required into the source of the noise. In the unlikely event that both pumps are suspected to be noisy contact dealer technical services (DTS) for further advice.
   NOTE:
   The primary function of the following SDD routine is to assist in diagnosing pump performance. In this bulletin the test is being utilised for an audible fault. The test will conclude with a pass or fail, if the test concludes with a pass this does not indicate the pump is not causing an audible fault.
   
   
4. CAUTION:
   This procedure requires SDD DVD142.06 and Calibration File 215 loaded or later.
   
   Connect the JLR approved battery support unit.
   
5. Connect SDD to the vehicle and begin a new diagnostic session, by reading the vehicle identification number (VIN) for the current vehicle and initiating the data collect sequence.
   
6. Follow the SDD prompts.
   
7. If the hyperlink is not available, the application can be found as follows:
   1. Select the Diagnosis Session Type.
   2. Select the following symptoms:
      • Powertrain - Engine system - Engine performance
   3. From 'Recommendations', run: Powertrain - High pressure fuel pump test.
   4. When the SDD application is running the high pressure fuel pumps will be sequenced as follows.
      • High pressure fuel pump 2 - disabled (SDD will display the following: High pressure fuel pump 1 - PCM - Switch off).
      • Both high pressure fuel pumps - enabled
      • High pressure fuel pump 1 - disabled (SDD will display the following: High pressure fuel pump 2 - PCM - Switch off).
      • Both high pressure fuel pumps - enabled
8. If during the above SDD routine an error message of 36 or 37 appears please run the following procedure and repeat the high pressure fuel pump test. If an error does not appear, please continue from Step 10.
   
   
   
9. If the hyperlink is not available, the application can be found as follows:
   1. Select the 'Service Functions' Session Type.
   2. Run: Powertrain - Powertrain control module unlock application.
   
   
   
10. When all tasks are complete, exit the current session by selecting the Session tab and then selecting the Close Session option.
    
11. Disconnect JLR approved battery support unit.
    
12. Install a new high pressure fuel pump as per diagnostics (see TOPIx workshop Manual, section 303-04).
    
13. Retest vehicle to confirm the noise has been rectified.

 

There's no noise while the engine is running - it's when the ignition is switched off, it makes a bit of a metallic clattery noise for a brief second as the engine stops.

 

I bought used but mine has made the same exact noise for as long as I've had it. I assumed it was just normal but if it's not I'd like to know as well.

 

It's tough to know what the noise is through a forum, without hearing it for myself. Unless you were able to post a video of the noise, I would just mention it to the dealer and have one of the techs look at it. The 5.0L and the 3.0L S/C run direct injection, and use a mechanical style fuel pump that is mounted on the lower side of the engine block. Because of this, it will sound a little louder than the 4.2's and 4.0's, even when shutting off.

 

I bought my car new (MY 2014) and had this sound since the day I picked it up from the dealer.
I felt the rattle becomes less with increasing mileage but may be I only got used to it.
Last summer my exhaust flaps began to squeak and the rear muffler was replaced just
in time warranty ends. Having installed the new muffler the clatter almost fades away
completely. I suppose the intensity of clatter could be related to the vibration magnitude
of the exhaust system during the engine shutdown process.
Due to the installation of the new muffler the stiffness / pretension of the rubber
exhaust mounting brackets might be changed in a positive manner leading to a better
acoustical behaviour.

regards
Ulrich

 

Talked to the service adviser when I dropped it off this morning - he said its absolutely normal for the F Type, he had another in for service and it sounded exactly the same as mine when the engine is shut off.

 

It takes a while for the cat to settle down for the night.....

 

The 6 cylinder LR4 has a rattle when it's idling. F type is resting for winter. I'll need to listen when it gets out. Hopefully next week!

 

If you can post a video of it on here if possible.


As for EK - yeah the 5.0L and the 3.0L S/C are like that when turning off. Unless it was excessive then I'd be worried, or if it was making that noise at idle or when accelerating.

 

My 2013 XJL does it too. I've just gotten used to it. Lol.

 

Thats the first time I have seen an explanation as to why direct injection on these engines can be noisy.