Hi there!

I just joined the Jaguar forums last night and this morning I saw a news-feed regarding a change in SA:
Vehicles are historic now in SA, when they are just 25 years old!
https://www.sa.gov.au/topics/driving...t-rod-vehicles
Does anyone have information, if the NSW government plans to be equally generous?

Cheers, Peter

 

Peter,
bit of a late response...i'm with the JDC in Sydney and the answer to your Q? is NO........

 

Thanks, XJTOM,
I already got that saddening message after writing about that matter to my local MP, who asked the Minister for transportation (or similar), and he came back with the diplomatic version of "No.", which was something like "Not at this point, but they would let me know, if there is a change".
As far as I know, they can even keep their expensively paid special plate from before the cars become vintage, which is a major advantage to the utterly ugly (purple) and crappy and stupid (boring numbers) historic plates they force onto those nice old cars in NSW.

 

I don't think the NSW purple historic plates are ugly however they are stupidly sized and incompatible with any Australian delivered vehicle.

The clssic D & E plates are not pretty.

NSW were never goig to be generous. Not from a state that charges an annual fee on top of rego if you choose your own plates (as well as a one off fee for those plates). Or a state that will give you as little as 9 months registration for the price of 12 months if you let your rego lapse for up to 3 months and then make you go through the hassle and expense of a complete new rego if you lapse for more than 3 months. You should be able to let it lapse for 364 days and then have the renewal start from the day you pay it or from it's expiry date whicherver is later.

They are bigger issues to tackle with the NSW government/RMS.

 

I agree. I know all those pains as you described them. And one more, which is common in another country: Even in regards of normally registered vehicles (not vintage) it is possible there to have one set of number plates and you can pre-select an number of different cars where to fit them on. It makes total sense: After all, if you have only one set of plates and e.g. 5 cars for it, you can only ever drive 1 car at any one time, thus, it is utterly unfair that we are forced here to pay for 5 cars regardless.

I have here 4 cars fully registered, and I think I drive with all those cars together less than 1000km per year. And still I have to sponsor that state big time.

Another system, which makes total sense, used in another country: You buy plates for one car, and written on those plates is the period (half a year per year) during which you are allowed to drive that car: Again: Makes total sense.

 

This is what i did on my xj6, i'm sure it's not something most people would like but it works for me, i made an aluminum plate (black plate) to fit in neatly, created my own decals on the comp/ (that is part of who i am) to fill the space the #plate doesn't fill, the #plate pictured is now replaced with the Historic plate but same size, did something similar on the front, the decals distract peoples eyes away from the #plate, the welsh flag is obvious, the family crest is part of my family & part a design combining my partner and me so it's our unique crest...........i use to have full rego on the car but once the 60 day extra came in it was better to have club rego, apart from the 1st payment of the plate i pay $47 a year for rego, just under $160 a year for full comprehensive insurance, there are over 40+ runs i can do a year with the club (Sydney based) plus the extra 60 which allows me to go interstate>>>> this lack duck ain't complaining.......*NB the historic plate is a little small so the decals are larger now than pictured.....

 

"just under $160 a year for full comprehensive insurance"

Shannons quoted me similar for my LTD once it's on historic plates. The irony is they quoted me significantly more $$ for layup insurance on the same car !

 

as i'm sure you know any insurance costs is based on how much you insure the car for

 

Same car, same value & same address. The only difference was that the cheaper insurance covered the car for a few drives a year as per the historic permit scheme and layup insures the car for the same but not for damage done while it's out being driven (thus a far reduced risk)

 

i would love to get historic rego for my car in a few years when its old enough, but..
and there is a big but. the plates.
whilst i don't think the historic plates are ugly i want my customised plates.
why can't you register a car under the historic rego scheme but still have custom plates on it?
it makes no sense.
maybe in the old days the visual impact of the historic plates was needed by law enforcement but now with all HWP having automated number plate scanners it all comes up on the computer.
I just ordered my custom plates "95 JAG" and i would love to be be able to have them used on historic rego as the car is pretty much going to be a weekend warrior.....

 

Yes, Spud Maat, that is exactly what I was saying/writing when I started this thread.
And exactly: There is no reason other that torturing historic vehicle holders, and maybe forcing them that way to pay ridiculous sums (full rego) just to keep the nice plates. While I do not have "95 JAG" plates, I paid a few hundred dollar extra to get SILVER ON BLACK plates. Looks just great, while I would need a sick-bag to look at the meaningless purple historic plates.

 

yeah i know.
i just paid $400 for the silver on black premium euro style,
and will pay a $115 annual fee,
haven't they sucked enough out of me?
surely paying that premium would allow me to put them on a car with conditional rego.
i mean cmon.
i own 2 cars, but can only drive one at a time!!!!

nrma roadside membership also annoys me for this.
I pay $120 per year per car.
but i only drive one at a time.
i am not going to be calling them any more cus i have a second car.
Why do i need to pay twice?

 

RIght you are. I lined out already above that I have 4 cars registered (and I drive probably 1000km only total per year with all of them in total). And that is 4 x full rego.
I fix the cars all by myself, i.e. I do not need NRMA. And as you say: If at least they would be fair, I would probably pay 1 x NRMA for 4 cars.

In SA - as I understand it (but I may have misunderstood it) - you can keep you old plates, when swapping to historic.

I also wrote above already that I contacted my local MP already about this and the fact that SA and other states accept a 25 year old car as historic. The MP contacted the minister for transport of NSW, and came back with a negative answer. You are welcome to also contact your local MP with the same request. And most of all: Everybody, who reads this (and obviously has the same problem/concern) should contact their local MPs to swamp the minister transport of NSW with that same request for justice, because as it is, we are unfairly disadvantaged compared to what is legal in other AUSTRALIAN states - after all: This in ONE country - Australia - is it not? As it is this is discrimination against those, who are living in NSW, where everything is more expensive anyway.

 

i have nrma cus although i can fix some things myself. The towing is very handy.

 

I needed towing only once in 20 years. That was with my van and my own fault: Blown engine due to no coolant. I needed a 160km tow, that was AU$600, and NRMA - as I understand it, would not have done this anyway, as they tow only to the nearest garage - and even then maybe only to a garage of THEIR choice. That does not help. And that is actually what I meant with: I fix everything myself meanwhile: i.e. I know that my cars do not break down. I am currently doing a big job on my X308: Basically: Timing chains and all fluids.

 

They towa certain distance. But you can choose where.
i have had to have cars towed, broken power steering pump, burst brake lines,
I think 25km free per tow You choose where.
can pay extra to get more if u think you will need more like you are regional.

 

Also nrma is more tho. The member discounts are good.

 

As I wrote: I needed to be towed only once in 20 years. And that was stupidity. And I would not have chosen the premium version for long distance tows. ANd I needed 160km. I am sure, the $600 were less than the remaining gap of 135km, which I then would have had to pay NRMA. So I really do not see the advantage for me.

 

fair enough.
i was just clarifying that you can choose where to get towed.
i have been towed home,
once when i needed my car to get to the mechaninc and had no time to do it, i organised a tow from my house to my chosen mechanic, just cus i could.

from my experience no matter how well maintained a car is sometimes **** just breaks.
not happened many times at all. But, i feel the cost of nrma has paid itself easily for me by the time you add a few tows and some discounts, at $100 a year that is cheaper than a tow.
when i got
my jag i brought it from the auctions, had it picked up just less than 20 kms from home, got it towed home and that was $150.

but anyway, we digress,

back to the point, NSW rego and number plate schemes suck and are stupid expensive.

 

...which is why I think that it might help, if as many people as possible write (email suffices) to their local MP (regarding historic vehicle at 25 years and keeping the old number for the vehicle) and the MPs pass on the question/request to the minister of Transport NSW. Maybe, this minister gets sick of permanently having to deny the same requests from the people he is supposed to represent...


of having to deny