New to the forums - hi. Might be a well worn discussion, but does anyone have inside knowledge on what's going on with new stock to Au? I've been trying to order an E-pace for over a year. One dealer said they're happy to take a deposit, but admitted they couldn't even guarantee delivery. Another dealer said 1 year min, couldn't give a date. It seems these dealers haven't had new stock of pretty much anything for a couple of years, how are they staying in business? So called "supply chain issues" still? Meaning zero cars available? I'm beginning to think there won't even be another ICE E-pace.

 

Must be plenty of $ in over priced servicing I guess. Seriously there are many many SUV options at many price points, why on earth would you bother waiting for a minority brand that inevitably will be poorly and expensively supported ? Carsales says there are 136 of them available nationally , most of the 4-5 year old models available for half price or less.

 

Hang on, I'm on a Jaguar forum asking why Jag Au has had virtually no stock for a couple of years, and you're telling me it's a stupid question?

 

I had a chat with the dealer principle at an MG outlet a while ago. MG are a totally Chinese company and nothing at all to do with the British sports car maker of yesteryear. He told me he can get stock of any MG vehicle at a moment's notice, no supply-chain problems whatever. The reason Chinese car dealers can get stock and no-one else can is that all the computer chips for every car manufacturer worldwide are made by China and China are not letting them have any- or at best supplying them in very small numbers. This is an intentional ploy on the part of China to cripple the rest of the world's vehicle manufacturers and gain market share for their own pieces of shyte products. I guess Jaguar are just as crippled by this as anyone else and Australia is perhaps not a priority market for them.

 

As we all know, car dealers are a) completely honest about how quickly they can get stock and b) experts in geopolitics and global economics.

Smells like xenophobic BS to me, so I did a bit of googling: first, the wait time for an MG is about a month whereas the average for all cars is about two months... quicker than most, but hardly "A moment's notice." Second - the five biggest automotive chip manufacturers are in Europe, the US, and Japan (source 1, source 2). Taiwan and South Korea are also up there depending on where you look, with China surprisingly low in the rankings when it comes to automotive chips (and semiconductors in general).

Your mate might wanna lay off the sky news 🙄

 

While dealers aren't my go-to source for geopolitical information, if they're telling you it'll be a year to get a car then it might be a year to get a car. They also might be telling you that so they can sell you a different brand for some reason 🤷 If you want a new one badly I'd try to find one in stock - there's five on Carsales - otherwise there's some used 2023 or used 2022 models. I can't see KMs on any of those... it looks like Carsales is now trying to get you to buy a report just to get the kms of a car, that's a f***ing stitch up. Guess you've gotta contact each seller now 😠

I'm a bit iffy about a new Jaguar.. with the company suddenly going all-EV, dramatically shrinking the dealer network, and targeting a higher class of customer, I think it's going to become more difficult and more expensive to get support and I also think they might depreciate quicker than expected. If I were shopping for a Jaguar I think I'd be looking for a used one that's very close to new and still has plenty of warranty, but has already lost most of its new car value.

 

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are attempting to engage in civil conversation rather than trying to be intentionally rude, despite the layers of sarcasm.
I can't see why the chap ("your mate", a person I have encountered for 5 minutes out of my 61 years) would have been BSing about being able to supply vehicles within a few days, the brief conversation was in a context where I was clearly not a potential customer. Perhaps I should have consulted google to verify his comments.
I'm certainly not an expert in geopolitics nor global economics either. Nor xenophobic as it happens. Perhaps sinophobic on a bad day although I see them as intelligently using our own stupidity for their long-term advantage. I do see it as a pity one can buy a Chinese car within a short timeframe and a British one maybe never. And an Australian one never again.

 

The new car supply situation is still very widespread and by no means limited to Jaguar. Earlier this year I bought a Euro car that had a long waiting list, even within Europe! Luckily I jumped the queue and got hold of a demo with 140km's on it - i.e. brand new off the showroom floor. I had been interested in a new Jag XE, among others, but more specifically something with ICE/non EV. If I were still looking I reckon a late model used something would be the go. All this could be good news for the classic Jags maybe? New car supply issues and the obsession for producing EV's can only bode well for their values.

 

Nope, you are the only one talking about stupid questions. I just expressed a view. The market is expressing a view with its purchases , sometimes its good to listen.

 

On the off topic discussion re MG and China product in general. I would put myself in anti China camp these days. Anyone who has been listening over the last 5 years would have repeated heard sabre rattling in our direction and layers of outright trade sanctions and manipulations. Yet people still happily send their money off to the CCP because cheap.

Some effort is required to avoid /minimise sending dollars to China , however I see little sense in supporting them and will take options when available. But that's just me I'm sure many others, probably most , think everything is fine.

 

Ok update, I was getting my old E-pace serviced at my local dealer and thought I'd ask the question again about ordering a new one. Interestingly, the dealer is badged Jaguar Land Rover but there wasn't a single Jag on the floor. They took my order for what they said was the 4th last slot in Au allocation of ICE Jags. While they were very cagey about why they had no Jags but plenty of Range/Land Rovers (same factory right?). the story as I could understand it was that Jag were repositioning themselves well above their traditional competitors and the entry level model of the all electric range would be well over $200K. I got the impression this dealer was dropping Jaguar altogether.

So the era of affordable Jags is dead, and nothing is being said about it?

 

Nobody expecting an XKR then?
Ok, no worries.

 

No Jaguar was ever really slotted as 'affordable' but plenty is being said about it.
However, the lunatics in charge of the Castle Bromwich asylum are not listening.
Far more sales of Land Rovers (made at a different factory to the Jaguars at Castle Bromwich) than Jaguars, so more money there.
The reason for poor Jaguar sales is obvious; lack of product investment in the brand due to poor return on capital.
The stupidity of going further up market and all 'washing machine motor' connected to batteries (all of course sourced from the far east) will see further failure of the brand.
Appealing perhaps to some, maybe very appealing to the Rainbow Mafia but of no appeal to many of the others left..

But, a sign of the times.

Not many places left to look for XK, XJ, F Type equivalents.

 

All production of ICE Jaguars (F-Type, XE and XF) at Castle Bromwich ceased back in June 2024 and since then they have been revamping the Castle Bromwich production lines to make nothing but the promised BEVs. This is expected to take another year before any new Jag BEVs roll off the line and in the meantime there will be no new Jags produced. AFAIK this means the F-Pace and E-Pace are no longer being built either, but they were built somewhere else.
So put simply no more new Jags of any type for another year other than what dealers already have in stock!