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Originally Posted by 1munro1 View Post
I am new to this forum but familiar with the XKE and their fanatic followers that believe they know what is best for all cars and their owners. The V12 is LONG GONE from this car. If I had it, I would restore the car to original.
To put a different V12 engine that did not match this car would be moronic. A $50000 investment that might return $30000. The frame was not altered and could accept a V12 if anyone was that ambitious. The car needs alot of work
to the interior and the engine. The body and frame are in excellent condition. Seats are in very good condition. It has a vinyl covered hard top that is also in excellent condition. I love the car and plan to enjoy driving it for a very long time! Thank you for the common sense and support Enderle! As for the Chippendale, if I choose to paint it, that is EXACTLY what I will do!


Thumbs up! Please do not assume this guy is the norm. Jaguar forums is one of the better online communities around. The reality is this is your car not there car and you do what you want to make you happy that is the American way!


Enderle was spot on,
"Wow, a tad too much ego. I get you wouldn't do this but I also get you have no idea what you are talking about. A new V12 engine and transmission rebuilt is between $15K and $30K depending on whether it is dressed or not and you'd still have to pay to have the front rails fixed and whatever was done to get the Chevy out and the Jaguar engine back in. Rough guess that would be another $15K to $20K. You'd end up with car that wasn't numbers matching and have something like $70K in a car that would still need the rest of a restoration. So he could either drop in a Chevy motor (you can buy a new block for as little as $1,600) and finish the installation, or drop $30K to $40K in the car end up with something that sells for less than that here and it still wouldn't be a good driver. Assuming he bought the car cheap (I'm guessing under $20K for a non-running shell). For the same out of pocket as one of the cars above he could end up with a far better driver dropping in a V8. Full restorations which result in the cars that sell over $100K are typically Series 1 cars, cost upwards of $150K to do, and take a year or more. And, after all of that, you'll not only lose money you won't want to actually drive the car (you may trailer it to shows). "

Phanc60844, clearly you are not listening to the person whom created this post.

The reality is that in the US my Jag out performs any other 3.8s in every category, is more reliable, and guess what in the US my restomod 3.8s has already had several offers way above what I have into it and that amount drawfs what any 3.8s stock Jag has ever sold for.
 

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The OP titled thread is Engine Conversion looking for advice and information on the the practicalities of carrying this out and not to indulge in a debate on originality or potential value.

The thread has degenerated into an increasingly acrimonious argument between the polar opposites of originality versus practicality which is totally off the point. A diversion like this is not in itself unacceptable but I will make three observations:

1. the same ground has been covered many times in other threads
2. the OP has posted again in #21 to explain the decision to go with an alternative engine
3. it's 1munro1's car and an owner can do what they choose.

THE PERSONAL INSULTS STOP AND THE THREAD GETS BACK ON TRACK NOW.

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I'm looking forward to seeing the final pictures of your Series III E. On the repaint I'm thinking of a dark color shifting paint for mine (blue/purple) it isn't a cheap date but think it would look stunning. On another note have often thought of doing a 3.8 restomod myself particularly after seeing the one Jaguar itself did for Ian McCallum. Far more practical than our E's and it is also a stunning design. I drool every time I see that car: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring...an-Callum.html I'd be really tempted to put an LSA engine in it. That'll have to wait for a while, an iPace is the next on my radar, more and more impressed with that car the closer it comes to my delivery date.
 

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Here is the car as it sits today. I am slowly inspecting and repairing the car. The fuel system is pretty bad after sitting for 20 years. Pulled the fuel tank to clean it and found a rust hole in one side. The sending unit is shot. Changed the fuel filter. Brake lines are good. I am about to test the pump. I rebuilt the brake master cylinder. Next I will pull the calipers and rebuild them. Then the servo. The heater box is in fair shape with one rust hole. Fan and motor are in surprisingly good shape. I want to document the process as it progresses. Hopefully others are interested even if it has a Chevy small block in it. The previous owner did a great job on the conversion but did not complete it. Thus the question on what is the best course of action. I don't know the condition of the engine. I have a Chevy expert taking a look at it in the next few weeks. I will post some interior pictures soon.
 
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Best of luck with whatever direction you go.

I’m certainly no expert on conversions, but I would lean towards the LS option. Reason I say that is I think it’s the road more travelled, and I suspect you will find more support and options going down that way. Thus making it an easier process.

Really interested in how the Chevy transmission fits vs the LS. I’ve seen a few conversions and the gear selector (manual or auto) always seems very out of place vs the oem configuration.

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On mine it is cable connected so placement wasn't a problem, newer transmissions are electronic, and you can get after market electronic conversions for older transmissions also allowing more flexible placement.
 
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Originally Posted by enderle View Post
On mine it is cable connected so placement wasn't a problem, newer transmissions are electronic, and you can get after market electronic conversions for older transmissions also allowing more flexible placement.
The LS standard transmissions are available in auto and manual; a good source for a performance version those transmissions are 4l60e 700r4 4l65e 4l70e performance transmission performabuilt

I kept my 3.8s to look stock as far as shifter and gauges. It take some fiddling to get the linkage to mate up well but I shift the car with factory auto shifter. I used Dakota Digital to convert the digital back to the analog gauges. This is where an LS or Ford V8 has the advantage; the reason is that those are the only brands I found that make a device that converts it back to a manual cable input (with the Chevy/Ford connection) for factory gauges.

FYI, the Callum MKII restomod car actually is done on a limited production run of 10 with a cost of approximately $375,000 USD. When a restomod is done well with all of the things new cars have and go away from old technology they will sell for big money. I have had several offers for my car all over $70K. People want a powerful reliable car so engines like the LS where they are all computer controlled fuel injection, etc. where you just turn the key with no worries of a choke, points, distributor, etc.

Doug on the MKII/3.8s forum here on jaguarforums did his MKII with the Jaguar XKR V8 but that was way more complicated and costly. Thus if you want to have all drivetrain Jaguar it is possible but way more involved, costly and at the end of the day those engines are not powerful compared to an LS. The XKR is not that powerful as they only put out 300-350HP versus and LS will easily be 400-500HP and if you have money the HP can go to 700-1000 and be streetable.
 
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I wouldn't do the XKR engine, I have one. Actually a bit over 400 HP but getting the power out is tough and that damn ECU is a total pain in the butt. You'd have to use the XKR gauges, brakes, and rear end as well. I've seen a couple folks take a Series III convert and blend it with an XKR (outside XKE inside XKR). They come up for sale for around $100K from time to time but the LS conversion (which a number of folks have done to earlier XK8s) is both a ton better and a ton cheaper. I didn't pick up that you could buy the Jaguar MKII restomod. But I can't justify over $200K for a car. There was a nice Series I with an LS that went for around $70K at auction, just missed it... (still kicking myself) I'll bet he had $150K or so in it, really nicely done. (link below).

Here are some interesting examples:

https://oppositelock.kinja.com/the-b...eed-1674992718

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Event...ERTIBLE-188507
 

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By the way, here is a great site for V8 conversions, the Hemi into an XKE one is pretty fascinating. British Sports Car Photo Gallery: Engine Swaps, V8 Conversions, Performance Mods
 
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Here is a really interesting '61 with a Chevy in it. Like what they did with the bonnet and the wheel well treatment doesn't look bad and it solves the thin tire problem. It sold for really decent money: An incredible 1962 Jaguar E-Type, SOLD by Californiaclassix.com!
 
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OK just found another Chevy swap, I thought these were rarer than this. This one is topless in a track configuration. Strange hood scoop, not sure why it is there. Other than that a wicked expensive build: https://rfsportscars.com/1971-jaguar...ster-c-315.htm
 
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I'm with both of you guys, not phanc60844. A purist always bash the guy who wants to be different. If purists want every car to remain stock, buy them all, and make them all stock. And so what if the value isn't as good. It's not your money, it's his. If all cars were left stock there would be no hotrods, no customs, no Barris, no Foose, no Kindig, etc. And at every car show, every car would be the same. One word for that.....BORING. There are plenty of 6-figure all original cars to go around if that's what you want. And though everyone has their opinion, I like the modified cars because it allows you to get creative with a piece of machinery.

And yes, I too have a E-type conversion I am just starting. I wanted to build a Camaro, but let's face it, here in the US, they are a dime a dozen. I wanted to be different. What was my second choice? An E-type. I found one that had already been butchered, and instead of spending a fortune to make it stock, I'm spending half a fortune to make it bitchen. I guarantee you when it's done (if I live long enough!), the purists may not like it, but they will appreciate it.
 
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Sorry, I missed the Supermod's post asking to stay on topic. I can't figure out how to delete my above post?
 
 
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