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Old Jun 19, 2016 | 02:08 PM
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I'm a newbie here, and just bought a '69 OTS for my wife and am looking for help with a continental type knockoff. I put the tri-eared wrench on the knockoff and beat the hell out of it in the direction shown, with a brass hammer and it won't budge. Right side should go clockwise, as shown on the knockoff.

Any suggestion? Thanks.
 
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Old Jun 19, 2016 | 02:51 PM
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I would say soak it in penetrant overnight and then warm it up using a heat lamp and then try again.
 
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Old Jun 19, 2016 | 06:12 PM
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Give me a large enough lever and I can move the universe. YOu may need to fabricate a long lever. Black pipe from home depot and fashion a hook to engage the small ear.
 
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Old Jun 21, 2016 | 07:35 AM
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Thanks for the help. I agree that a long-handled wrench would work, but it would have to be a custom fabrication due to the curvature of slip-on wrench, otherwise it would just slip off the ear, but I may have one made for future use. I put PB Blaster on it overnight, then heated it with a heat gun and it finally came loose.
 
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Old Jun 21, 2016 | 09:19 AM
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Glad to hear you have it sorted and thanks for the update.
 
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Old Jun 21, 2016 | 06:00 PM
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Silly thing about "Knockoffs" most people think the threads are what requires never seize
to make these things come off and on easy but the fact is it is the outer recessed edge of the knockoff nut that has the machined recess init to tighten on to the outer edge of the wheel ! It is this area that sticks and seizes on to the wheel, so lubricate this area lightly
along with the threads !
 
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Old Jun 22, 2016 | 01:16 PM
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Not trying to sound stupid, but I wonder if running backwards for a short distance, and applying hard brake, would loosen...Just thinkin out loud.
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Old Jun 23, 2016 | 08:43 AM
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I hope not. The hub is splied so no movement, and mass of spinner and central location means little kinetic energy to loosen. In absence of large lever, gentle heat (heat gun, induction coil heater-if you have all the toys) works. Penetrating fluid if it is seized, but force may be needed.
 
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Old Jun 23, 2016 | 11:38 AM
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So why do the spinners tend to tighten as you drive forward?...(Just playing Devil's advocate).....
 
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Old Jun 23, 2016 | 12:17 PM
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OK,OK,OK, The spinners are subject to the amount of play that "MIGHT" be in a worn spline,
and would be able to move only that much ! But if your splines are in good shape there should be no perceptible play.........therefore no movement and no loosening of the knockoff.
 
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Old Jun 24, 2016 | 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Barry
So why do the spinners tend to tighten as you drive forward?...(Just playing Devil's advocate).....
Hello Edward,
Inertia is what causes the Spinners to tighten over time. Its a rotating component that wants to stay rotating at its current rate. When brakes are applied, resulting in rapid deceleration, the rotating Spinner tends to tighten due to its resistance to the deceleration force. The force applied due to acceleration is nowhere near those of deceleration caused by braking and therefore, the Spinners are highly unlikely to looses due to Inertia.

On the front wheels in particular, worn spines have practically no influence on the Spinners Tightening. If there was any major clearance in the fit of the Spine (male to female) after the first severe braking episode, where the Disk and hub move counter rotationally to the wheel (relatively speaking), the flanks of one side of the male and female spine are in close contact and won't loose this contact through acceleration.

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Old Jun 24, 2016 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by bkeats
Hello Edward,
Inertia is what causes the Spinners to tighten over time. Its a rotating component that wants to stay rotating at its current rate. When brakes are applied, resulting in rapid deceleration, the rotating Spinner tends to tighten due to its resistance to the deceleration force. The force applied due to acceleration is nowhere near those of deceleration caused by braking and therefore, the Spinners are highly unlikely to looses due to Inertia.

On the front wheels in particular, worn spines have practically no influence on the Spinners Tightening. If there was any major clearance in the fit of the Spine (male to female) after the first severe braking episode, where the Disk and hub move counter rotationally to the wheel (relatively speaking), the flanks of one side of the male and female spine are in close contact and won't loose this contact through acceleration.

Regards,

Brent
So , if I drive backwards at 60MPH or so, for , say, 20 miles, it might loosen my spinners due to backward inertia ? (LOL !)
(Sorry, couldn't resist...Thanks Brent for the logical explanation)
 
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