F-Type ( X152 ) 2014 - Onwards

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Old Aug 3, 2023 | 07:25 AM
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Volvo just announced they are ceasing sales of all sedans and wagons in the UK as they were not selling. They accounted for less than 10% of sales.
 
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Old Aug 3, 2023 | 09:23 AM
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CT and MA both dropped from four dealers to two. The others are either selling CPO Jaguars, Land Rovers, or both:

MA:
  • Jaguar Boston
  • Jaguar Peabody
  • Jaguar Norwood
  • Jaguar Sudbury
CT:
  • Jaguar Hartford
  • Jaguar North Haven
  • Jaguar Fairfield
  • Jaguar Darien
Jaguar Norwood was the largest volume Jaguar dealer in New England.
 
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Old Aug 3, 2023 | 09:56 AM
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I see that Jaguar Norwood no longer has any Jags for sale.
They appear to have been transferred to their Warwick, RI location.
As for continuing to service Jags, they sucked even before they gave up the Jag franchise!!
 
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Old Aug 3, 2023 | 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by CJSJAG
As for continuing to service Jags, they sucked even before they gave up the Jag franchise!!
I bought my first F-Type from them and the last time I had it serviced there, it was just for a CPO oil/filter change. I picked the car up and they didn't reset the service interval reminder and the hood was ****-eyed and only latched on one side. Small things, to be sure, but if you are going to go head-to-head with Bentley at Bentley prices, your service side will be the downfall of the endeavor at that price point.
 
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Old Aug 3, 2023 | 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by JCtx
Hey, don't forget insurance. That plays a huge role too. Price a sedan vs a coupe, and the price difference is staggering. And a 2-seater (vs 2+2) like the F-Type is even worse. And your driving record matters little anymore; it's where you live. I literally moved less than a mile away, but the zip code changed, and my freaking rates went up 50%; go figure. In addition, car prices have skyrocketed since COVID, so that's not helping sell more new cars; that's for sure. Plus all the pressure to electrify vehicles too. Crappy times for car enthusiasts indeed.
The higher premiums for 2-seaters has been traditionally true, although it may vary by market and/or carrier. My F-Type is currently $484 - $2 less than the F-Pace (which admittedly is 3 years newer, but similar miles and insurance value). But, I'm glad I'm not in south Florida (and some others) where both the rate and differential would be much higher.
 
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Old Aug 3, 2023 | 01:54 PM
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My 2c:
The trend to SUVs (I call them boof-mobiles) has been driven by women.
More and more the "lady of the house" (and the single lady) has a bigger say in a new car purchase than they did back in the day, and it is well documented that women prefer high riding cars (and trucks) over low slung sedans let alone sports cars. The reason for this is the better visibility, they simply feel safer in a car/truck in which they can see over other lower slung cars. There is also the perception, true or not, that a bigger/heavier vehicle is safer in a crash than a smaller/lighter vehicle
In the 2 years I have owned the F-Type it has been scraped twice by drivers who did not even see it from inside their mega trucks.
The height disparity is a safety concern, yes.

My top of my '85 XJ sedan is about the same height as the door handles or beltline of most SUVs. And the even taller (and equally ubiquitous) pick up trucks tower above me like leviathans. This is double trouble. First, I am wayyyy below their normal line of sight. Second, their height and bulk makes it impossible for a lower car to see around them. It's like driving alongside a 8 foot wall.

A few months ago I was sitting at a stop sign and a lady in an SUV clipped the front of my Jag. I am 99% sure that, simply, I was so far below her line of sight that she simply didn't see me.

When I drive my TR6 the situation is even worse, as you can imagine

There's no fix for this....other than being more defensive (me) and attentive (them).

Then there's the matter of the height of headlights on truck and SUVs

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Old Aug 3, 2023 | 03:44 PM
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I just purchased a new 2022 P450 that had been sitting at the dealership for almost 500 days (per cargurus). It was exactly what I would have ordered. I paid $8,500.00 under sticker. I wanted RWD and a V8. I actually purchased it knowing that Jaguar was phasing it out and closing dealerships. Probably one of the last true gas powered coupes you will be able to get. The car manufacturers usually support a vehicle for 10 years after stopping production. No worries. No regrets. After this, probably only electric vehicles.
 
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Old Aug 3, 2023 | 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Polyesterpig
**looks to signature.
Let's talk about this:

BIMOTA DB4ie
 
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Old Aug 3, 2023 | 04:20 PM
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As far as I can tell, all but a couple of the LA area dealerships are still selling news cars including...Rusnak Jaguar in Pasadena, Riverside Jaguar, Cerritos Jaguar, Woodland Hills Jaguar, Penske Jaguar in Puente Hills, Santa Monica Jaguar, Jaguar Los Angeles, Galpin Jaguar in Van Nuys, Jaguar South Bay in Torrance, Jaguar Mission Viejo, and Jaguar Newport Beach.
 
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Old Aug 3, 2023 | 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by eeeeek
Let's talk about this:

BIMOTA DB4ie
Purchased new old stock. One of 75 fuel injected Bimota DB4is in the world and about 15 in the USA. Unfortunately I really don’t ride it anymore. The Hypermotard is the one bike I enjoy the most at my old age…….
 
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Old Aug 3, 2023 | 06:08 PM
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Anybody know which Jaguar dealers in the SoCal area that are closing shop? Santa Monica said they were not closing. I always liked Rusnak Jaguar, hope they are staying open.
 
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Old Aug 3, 2023 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Polyesterpig
Purchased new old stock. One of 75 fuel injected Bimota DB4is in the world and about 15 in the USA. Unfortunately I really don’t ride it anymore. The Hypermotard is the one bike I enjoy the most at my old age…….
I had a chance to buy an SB8R about 20 years ago and have kicked myself in the rear several times for not getting it. The DB4ie is levels above that.
 
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Old Aug 3, 2023 | 06:47 PM
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In early 2023, JLR stopped selling Jaguar vehicles in Korea. They made a point of stating that they are not pulling out of the Korean market and will return in 2025 when Jaguar becomes an EV manufacturer. All Korean JLR dealers removed the Jaguar badging. Land Rover appears to be doing fine in Korea with strong Range Rover vehicle sales.
 
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Old Aug 3, 2023 | 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Polyesterpig
Anybody know which Jaguar dealers in the SoCal area that are closing shop? Santa Monica said they were not closing. I always liked Rusnak Jaguar, hope they are staying open.
These are the 23 dealerships in California that still sell new. The rest, if they stay open as LR dealers, can still sell CPO Jaguars and do all regular warranty and service maintenance. Jaguar Ventura *might* still be a new dealer but I don't think it is:
  • Cole European

  • Haron Jaguar

  • Jaguar Carlsbad

  • Jaguar Cerritos

  • Jaguar Livermore

  • Jaguar Los Angeles

  • Jaguar Marin

  • Jaguar Mission Viejo

  • Jaguar Monterey

  • Jaguar Newport Beach

  • Jaguar Puente Hills

  • Jaguar Rancho Mirage

  • Jaguar Riverside

  • Jaguar Sacramento

  • Jaguar San Diego

  • Jaguar San Francisco

  • Jaguar San Jose

  • Jaguar Santa Barbara

  • Jaguar Santa Monica

  • Jaguar South Bay

  • Jaguar Van Nuys

  • Jaguar Woodland Hills

  • Rusnak / Pasadena

 

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Old Aug 3, 2023 | 08:15 PM
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I called Austin, and they're staying open, fortunately. Not sure when I'll be permanently moving to that area, but it should be well before 5 years, when local dealer stops servicing Jags. Also checked out Houston dealers for inventory, and only 1 out of the 3 dealers is selling new. And of course no RWD models, like I want it.

Now, help me understand this. It's no secret Jaguar couldn't really even compete with BMW and Mercedes, as their sales are but a rounding error compared to both. Who in their right mind there thought they'd be able to compete with Bentley, etc? It sounds like an athlete who couldn't qualify for a local team trying for the Olympics; makes no sense to me. I wish them luck, as the more competitors the better. But I don't think somebody shopping for a Bentley would 'settle' for a Jaguar, but we'll see. I also don't understand why ask your own dealers to give up your own brand; I'd like to know the logic of that. If anything, push out the ones you think might be under-performing, but what about if the most desirable dealers are the ones taking the bailout?
 
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Old Aug 3, 2023 | 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by JCtx
Hey, don't forget insurance. That plays a huge role too. Price a sedan vs a coupe, and the price difference is staggering. And a 2-seater (vs 2+2) like the F-Type is even worse. And your driving record matters little anymore; it's where you live. I literally moved less than a mile away, but the zip code changed, and my freaking rates went up 50%; go figure. In addition, car prices have skyrocketed since COVID, so that's not helping sell more new cars; that's for sure. Plus all the pressure to electrify vehicles too. Crappy times for car enthusiasts indeed.
I pay $80 a month for my F type coupe. Was cheaper than my Lexus coupe and my BMW coupe. My wife's alfa stelvio is more than my f type. Cheap!
 
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Old Aug 4, 2023 | 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by JCtx
Now, help me understand this. It's no secret Jaguar couldn't really even compete with BMW and Mercedes, as their sales are but a rounding error compared to both. Who in their right mind there thought they'd be able to compete with Bentley, etc? It sounds like an athlete who couldn't qualify for a local team trying for the Olympics; makes no sense to me. I wish them luck, as the more competitors the better. But I don't think somebody shopping for a Bentley would 'settle' for a Jaguar, but we'll see.
Bentley buyers wouldn't settle for a BMW/Mercedes "competitor", but if Jaguar goes upmarket it might (might!) become more desirable in relative scarcity. As you say, they'll have to raise their game considerably to achieve it, though. Sadly, I'd never consider buying a Bentley "competitor" (or a Bentley, come to that, I've never liked VWs.).
 
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Old Aug 4, 2023 | 04:53 AM
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Jaguar is actually slightly better than Bentley in one regard.
Apparently Bentley has one of the lowest reliability ratings of all vehicles.
I guess mass production robots actually do a better job than custom human hand builders!!
 
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Old Aug 4, 2023 | 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by CJSJAG
I guess mass production robots actually do a better job than custom human hand builders!!
They'd certainly be more consistent, and tend not to have off-days (or hangovers!).
 
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Old Aug 4, 2023 | 09:29 AM
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I recently received that the Scottsdale location will be service only now and they are shifting to 100% electric. I have a newer dealership a bit closer that I had went to for the O2 sensor replacement and not sure their status.
 
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