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You asked for forum input when you created this thread and the forum provided it. I don't think anyone here is denying that other tuners out there could be just as good; however most of them are an unknown or unproven commodity on the F-type platform, where as everyone runs VAP and no-one has ever had a problem. Literally no one...
Sounds like you're pretty set in your decision to use ETG. That's fine, they haven't done many F-types on this forum, but maybe they can do a great job? I have no idea. What I can say is they probably can improve your car in some respect; it's no shock that a tuned car could consistently pull away from a non-tuned one, that's common sense. What you don't know (and probably never will) is how good their tune is compared to others out there. Without analyzing the accurate data you'd never know how good, bad or indifferent ETG's tune is. But perhaps ignorance is bliss?
He didn't actually ask if other tuners were better. Here is his actual 1st post that shows he is planning on getting an ETG tune and asking if anyone else has had them tune an F-Type & if so, how did it go...at least that is the way I read his post
Originally Posted by Mc-hammer
...call Jags from ECU tuning group who then connected me to Grant who is his installer in Ohio. Looks like he's coming up to do and ECU tune and pulley for me in 2 weeks from now on April 26th. Just wondering if there were any others who have recently done the upgrade and what were your thoughts...
He didn't actually ask if other tuners were better. Here is his actual 1st post that shows he is planning on getting an ETG tune and asking if anyone else has had them tune an F-Type & if so, how did it go...at least that is the way I read his post
I read it differently. Its a bit vague i'll agree.
I read it differently. Its a bit vague i'll agree.
his assessment of my original post is bang on. I was asking for some one who had they're car tuned by ETG and what was their experience. What I wasn't expecting was the amount of negativity being displayed for simply choosing a different tuner I mean what appears to be everyone else's choice. As I explained before there is data that was provided regarding before and after tune they also tune via the OBD2 port and provide stock reflash in the event of warranty issues. With all due respect I did contact VAP and the numbers they posted are or not what I was told over the phone. Their price was also different hand they weren't able to tell me what was included in there tune which included they're three most popular items. And the install went from $400 to $1,000 and lastly from 2602 3400 plus GST and $1,000 for install. That's almost five grand for 618 horse and result too many inconsistencies and changes for my likings
Yes if you ask for feedback you should be prepared to accept it. If you are not looking for different opinions to the ones you hold - don't ask the question.
In this case we have a lot of very happy VAP customers with successful tunes and no issues on this forum, and no ETG customers with any relevant feedback plus one linked story of unfulfilled promises on a McLaren.
You pays your money and takes your choice.
OP - have at it and let us know your first hand experience. If successful maybe ETG can be considered here as a tuner with some proven credibility.
With all due respect I did contact VAP and the numbers they posted are or not what I was told over the phone. Their price was also different hand they weren't able to tell me what was included in there tune which included they're three most popular items. And the install went from $400 to $1,000 and lastly from 2602 3400 plus GST and $1,000 for install. That's almost five grand for 618 horse and result too many inconsistencies and changes for my likings
Can't even understand what you're saying to argue.
Regardless, I think the negativity you perceive is due to people misunderstanding what you were looking for, as I did. Everyone here was just trying to help you. VAP is one of the most transparent companies I've ever dealt with, cars or otherwise. If you got mixed information from them, I am sure Stuart would be happy to clear everything up.
Can't even understand what you're saying to argue.
Yeah...hard to understand what was said. But regarding price, VAP's pulley/tune is $2100 plus $400 for installation which can put you into 630 BHP, not $5000.
Initially I was quoted approximately $2700.00 + tax Canadian Plus 400 for the install for the tune and pulley. That quickly ballooned to 2900 + tax and $1,000 for the install. The 2900 covered three of their most popular. That was for approximately 620 horsepower .Would this be a correct assessment
FYI, I'm paying the cost of the tune and crank pulley as seen on VAP website. Around $2100 for parts and tune kit. Freed Performance outside Atlanta is charging me under $400 for the install plus $100 each for Dino (I couldn't resist, hehe) before and after. I'm sure Freed is paying less for the parts and kit at wholesale price which is reasonable by me. I just want something that does what it's supposed to and doesn't screw anything up. We'll see. Getting it done this Wed/Thurs and will post here.
My 2c worth.
Yes, VAP is a little more expensive than many others but their products and customer service are first class.
You pays your money and you takes your chances!
Initially I was quoted approximately $2700.00 + tax Canadian Plus 400 for the install for the tune and pulley. That quickly ballooned to 2900 + tax and $1,000 for the install. The 2900 covered three of their most popular. That was for approximately 620 horsepower .Would this be a correct assessment
At today's conversion rate VAP is charging CN$2660. Canadian tax...only you can tell. Installation should be no more than about CN$500-650. Total CN$3300 tops. Yes...620+ hp. A dyno will read 15-18% less than that due to drivetrain loss.
Also, remember there is no need to pay anyone else to install the VAP tune, it's designed to be DIY and it's a piece of cake.
Having my pulley installed (if you discount the first effort with the wrong pulley, and it was/is a Eurotoys pulley not a VAP one) only cost me $220 AU which is about the same in CAN $, and I saved quite a bit (guess at least one hour's labour cost) by removing the two plastic undertrays myself before taking the car to the mechanic then putting them back on myself later.
In summary, do the rest yourself and you should be able to get the pulley, belt and tensioner installed for not much more than $200 CAN.
Mc-Hammer,
Although I don't have an F-type R, I do have an XKR with essentially the same engine. I had the tune from Eurocharged done along with a pulley and an X-pipe addition to the exhaust. I'm not sure I feel any difference, but as for Jags at ETG, forum member Ralphwg has used Jags for two of his X150s v-8s, and I know he thinks very highly of his work, and is very satisfied. You might contact Ralph through Private Messaging and ask him some pertinent questions.
Mc-Hammer,
Although I don't have an F-type R, I do have an XKR with essentially the same engine. I had the tune from Eurocharged done along with a pulley and an X-pipe addition to the exhaust. I'm not sure I feel any difference, but as for Jags at ETG, forum member Ralphwg has used Jags for two of his X150s v-8s, and I know he thinks very highly of his work, and is very satisfied. You might contact Ralph through Private Messaging and ask him some pertinent questions.
Initially I was quoted approximately $2700.00 + tax Canadian Plus 400 for the install for the tune and pulley. That quickly ballooned to 2900 + tax and $1,000 for the install. The 2900 covered three of their most popular. That was for approximately 620 horsepower .Would this be a correct assessment
Still not sure what "three of their most popular" means? tune, crank pulley and downpipes?
Obviously if the factor is $$$'s/hp, the tune alone gives you the biggest boost at the lowest price; 605hp for $995 plus taxes and no installation cost.
The tune is $18/hp.....going by your figures the rest of the stuff costs over $3k for 15hp or $200/hp.
The crank pulley gives you a better return than the downpipes too though nothing like the tune.
Still not sure what "three of their most popular" means? tune, crank pulley and downpipes?
Obviously if the factor is $$$'s/hp, the tune alone gives you the biggest boost at the lowest price; 605hp for $995 plus taxes and no installation cost.
The tune is $18/hp.....going by your figures the rest of the stuff costs over $3k for 15hp or $200/hp.
The crank pulley gives you a better return than the downpipes too though nothing like the tune.
VAP tune and crank pulley installed last week. Great job by Freed Performance if anyone is in the Atlanta area. Works well, noticeably more power throughout RPM's. Officially more engine than can reach the road. Next will be to swap to the MPS4S tires.
Inside the numbers:
Total Cost:$2873.62 USD
Baseline Stock Dyno 408hp 428tq
Pulley and tune Dyno 491hp 479tq
Some notes: This was a Mustang Dyno, seen in previous posts and notorious for lower numbers. However, it's the same machine pre and post. If you take the original 408hp and divide by reported crank hp of 550 you get roughly 0.742. Almost 26% loss to the rear wheels but it's the difference between the pre and post runs that tell the story. Post modification you should be able to divide 491hp by 0.742 to determine estimated crank hp, a whopping 661.7hp. The bad news, it was about 25 degrees cooler on the post modification runs so who knows the real numbers. Maybe Stuart can tell me what I should claim. Either way, another well done VAP tune, thanks to Freed Performance. Objectively and definitely subjectively better.
What happened at 5600rpm on the tuned run, it seems to go very lumpy and power falls off big time whereas the stock map has nicer curves. Unless of course the additional heat you described caused the ECU to pull timing up top big time or cat protection kicked in?
Good improvement but the car should have nicer curves than that up top.
Unless of course the additional heat you described caused the ECU to pull timing up top big time or cat protection kicked in
Bingo. I've been running into this problem a lot on my drag runs. Once the engine gets heat soaked, it dumps fuel at high RPM to protect the cats. Unfortunately this is a calculated value and not a measured one, so its hard to get away from.
04-15-2018, 05:21 PM
