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Old 01-11-2016, 10:33 AM
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Default So it begins...first "Check Engine Light"

Driving to work on Friday...my heart sank when I saw the CEL come on. I pulled over. Cycled the ignition on and off, hoping that it would clear the light. Light stayed on. Drove it to the retailer without any noticable change in performance but nursed it anyways. I've already had the o2 sensor TSB done in November.

That night, the shop foreman calls me and tells me that the light was for a potentially faulty "camshaft solenoid"...but will confirm today after further diagnosis. Hoping this isn't a pre-cursor of things to come in terms of drivetrain reliability as my intentions are to buy out this lease when the time comes. That being said, I've been babying it the day I got it. First oil change done at 6000 miles.

I've been driving around in a company F-Type S with a manual in the meantime. A beautiful IRR, with black interior, red stitching and red seatbelts. I don't know if its just my big feet, but my left foot keeps getting caught in this nook right above the clutch pedal.

Keeping my fingers crossed!

 
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Old 01-11-2016, 11:35 AM
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Bummer, hopefully it's something simple.. How many miles are you at currently?
 
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Old 01-11-2016, 11:41 AM
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Bummer, hopefully it's something simple.. How many miles are you at currently?
Sitting at about 11300 miles.
 
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Old 01-11-2016, 12:08 PM
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FWIW, over the last 20 years, I've had CELs come on in cars from Audi, BMW, Ford, GM, Chrysler, MB, Nissan, and Toyota, and I usually keep a vehicle for about 3 years, on average. It was almost always something very minor, usually just a flaky sensor. About half of those times, I was able to reset and extinguish the light with my OBDII diagnostic tool without a recurrence.

I've not seen the CEL in my one and only Jaguar in almost 2 years of ownership.
 

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Old 01-11-2016, 12:21 PM
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FWIW, over the last 20 years, I've had CELs come on in cars from Audi, BMW, Ford, GM, Chrysler, MB, Nissan, and Toyota, and I usually keep a vehicle for about 3 years, on average. It was almost always something very minor, usually just a flaky sensor. About half of those times, I was able to reset and extinguish the light with my OBDII diagnostic tool without a recurrence.

I've not seen the CEL in my one and only Jaguar in almost 2 years of ownership.
If it was a Honda, then I would be totally comfortable doing that. However given how damn electronically complicated these cars are, I just didn't feel like that was the right course of action.
 
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Old 01-11-2016, 01:43 PM
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the obdII diagnostic tool is a real good investment ($50-90 for a midrange tool) to at least confirm what the repair shop is telling you. Since you are under warranty, best to leave the code in place for the shop to deal with it.
 
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Old 01-11-2016, 02:11 PM
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Since you are under warranty, best to leave the code in place for the shop to deal with it.
I disagree to an extent. A single attempt to clear a CEL isn't going to hurt a thing, because a real issue will re-light the CEL almost immediately.

I value my time, and I hate wasting it on service visits where the result is being told "we couldn't find anything wrong."
 
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Originally Posted by Foosh
I disagree to an extent. A single attempt to clear a CEL isn't going to hurt a thing, because a real issue will re-light the CEL almost immediately.

I value my time, and I hate wasting it on service visits where the result is being told "we couldn't find anything wrong."

This is exactly why I have an OBD scanner... As long as I am under warranty if I get a code, I'll check it and usually clear it. If it comes back, I'll have it looked into.

On older cars.... I usually know what's going to go bad and can evaluate my options....
 
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Well...the retailer back to me and it turns out its rodent damage to the camshaft solenoid. Apparently JLR uses a soy based chemical to make the wiring harnesses in effort to be more eco-friendly and sustainable. Nice to know as a result our cars are delicious.





 

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soy based? LOL what is next tofu tires! Sorry you had the problem however. Guess I'm on rodent patrol this winter when the car has to sit.
 
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This is actually the second reported rodent damage thread...
 
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Looks like it's mousetrap time in the garage....
 
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Old 01-11-2016, 07:15 PM
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Well...the retailer back to me and it turns out its rodent damage to the camshaft solenoid. Apparently JLR uses a soy based chemical to make the wiring harnesses in effort to be more eco-friendly and sustainable. Nice to know as a result our cars are delicious.
Holy s . . . ! If verified, let me be the first to say that this will be a long-term nightmare for JLR. The spirit of Lucas will have returned on a grand scale.
 
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Seems to be a CA thing (I'm sure it can happen anywhere). TwiztOG was the last person to report a major rodent attack: https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/f-type-x152-72/oem-brakes-151883/#post1332484.
Amazing...mice can immobilize our cats.
 
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Maybe there is a rodent repellent that you can spray in the motor compartment. You might have to employ a low tech mouse trap to protect a high tech Cat.
 
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Soy, peanut and sugar based chemicals in car harnessing, seating materials and other components has been around since the 1980s. It was started - I think - by Mercedes as a result of European laws requiring vehicle manufacturers being responsible for vehicles from "cradle to grave." The idea is that by the time the vehicle is out of service, materials can be easily recycled.


Chemical based materials are used by most manufacturers including Toyota, BMW, Honda, Ford and many others.


I wouldn't think JLR would have any greater problems than any other manufacturer. The real problem is all you guys putting your vehicles in storage over winter - guess you're going to have to drive that cat!
 
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The real problem is all you guys putting your vehicles in storage over winter - guess you're going to have to drive that cat!
Thus far, the affected cars were CA daily drivers.
 
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Originally Posted by Rivguy
Maybe there is a rodent repellent that you can spray in the motor compartment. You might have to employ a low tech mouse trap to protect a high tech Cat.

From TwiztOG43's thread with his rodent problem...


So it looks like the rodents only chewed through the rear harness. So parts and labor 1200, which they should get by Friday. They are also going to wrap the harness with OEM Honda Rodent Tape to prevent any new damage to the new harness. Part number 4019-2317 for those that are curious.
 
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Old 01-12-2016, 12:36 AM
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Actually, the Jaguar dealer did not know that the tape even existed. They contacted their Honda dealer to verify that it did exist. So Far no issues with any rodents since.

As for driving the car, mine is driven almost every day, so that is not the problem.
 
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Old 01-12-2016, 06:18 AM
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Regarding rodent problems in winter time, it can be just as much of a problem for cars driven everyday, as for those in winter storage.


Rodent like warm places during the cold winter. So would they prefere a newly driven car with a warm engine or one that has been stationary and is ice cold?


A friend of mine parked his Mercedes ML just for one night in a garage at another friends place. Next morning he found that the rodents had come inside the cabin of the car and gnawed holes in the leather in both driver and rear passenger seats.


When delivered to the workshop they found additional damage to several wiring harnesses in the engine bay.


All done during one short night just a few weeks back. And the car was parked next to a (cold) car in winter storage (911 turbo), which so far had not been "attacked" by the rodents.


And by the way - the garage is now rather filled with rodent traps
 
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