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I am retired from Tesla. I get the move to EV's but they are not for everyone. It won't be long before the range is 500-600 miles on all models, but as others have pointed out, there are many, many problems with the infrastructure required for charging on a mass scale, especially for people who don't have the luxury of being able to charge at their home or condo.
The automakers are responding to three things: Demand, keeping up with the competition, and government mandates. And like most things that involve the government, the people who are making the decisions are mostly morons and don't understand the law of unintended consequences.
I also live in California, where all new cars sold after 2035 are supposed to be electric. We'll see how that works out. And a regime change, if at all possible could reverse that decision overnight.
As I approach age 66 I'm not sure how much longer I am going to be able to be a motorhead. Hopefully by 2035 I'll still be more lucid than Creepy Joe. I am awaiting a 2021 F Type R. People who know I worked for Tesla ask me why I didn't buy one of those, since their performance specs are so impressive. My answer was that I want a gas guzzling, fire breathing, loud, hydrocarbon emitting V8 sexy sports car while I can still buy one. I think when it arrives I am going to take a photo of me sitting in it and thumbing my nose and send it to Greta Thunberg.
If I thought my opinion about the march into the future mattered, maybe I would have one. This is quite legitimately "it is what it is". I'm ready for an electric vehicle in the stable. The acceleration is so much fun. And sure, this stick shift just became more valuable than I ever thought it would have. Just don't crash it. Lol I do wonder how quickly cool petrol cars will go from getting thumbs up on the road to getting the stink eye. I also wonder, although it is so far off, what happens to gasoline-powered vehicles by a regulatory standard. Does gas get too expensive? Does insurance get too expensive? I'm hoping people still appreciate single combustible engine vehicles versus just hating all of them.
I also really wonder how car collection values are changing, especially older American vehicles that nobody seems to want anymore with the rise of Japanese imports or four-wheel drive. Can't wait to see what Keith Martin's sports car market talks about.
Since a lot of countries are banning the sale of new gasoline cars from 2025, or 2030, or whenever, it makes no sense for manufacturers to continue to make them. if you can't buy non-electric cars, what are you going to buy?
Well, I find that quite disappointing for many reasons, but the relevant one for this forum is that I just got my first Jag (F-type) 11 months ago and love everything about it. I was looking forward to future ICE models for myself and the family. I guess this will be my last Jag, as I for one will be driving ICE until I absolutely can't. No matter how good the rest of the car or the performance, no EV for me yet, sorry. I may circle back someday when there are no other options (including used), but no time soon. Sad to see them go this route, but I wish you well, Jaguar.
Since a lot of countries are banning the sale of new gasoline cars from 2025, or 2030, or whenever, it makes no sense for manufacturers to continue to make them. if you can't buy non-electric cars, what are you going to buy?
I kinda get what they mean.
I appreciate electric cars for different reasons than I appreciate my svr, and I'm excited to see EV tech progression. But if I was going to buy an EV today, it would definitely be a tesla. The business sense behind the switch is completely sound, but it will inevitably have jag (and other brands) playing catch up for a few years.
I saw the announcement, and under our current conditions, I can't say I'm surprised. However, I have been driving ICE vehicles since the late fifties, and I am one of many who will be sorry to see them go. Of course there a millions of ICE cars on the roads, and it will be many years before they are unavailable, so this won't be an immediate change.
I tend to buy new or very recent cars, and at present I own a 2020 F-Type R-Dynamic and a 2020 KIA Nero EV. I have been driving hybrids or plug-in cars since 2004 as DD's, but if I go on a road trip, I would take the Jaguar, and avoid the range problems. Around town, even in Atlanta, my current nearly 400 mile range is more than enough, and I always charge at home. I enjoy the quiet and smooth operation of an electric, but occasionally I want to HEAR and feel the performance of a fast ICE vehicle. I know there are fast EV's, the I-Pace being one of them, but It's not the same. Over the last twenty years, I have owned four Corvettes, two AMG's, one BMW M, and an S, R-AWD, and my current F-Type. I will miss them if I live long enough.
I am retired from Tesla. I get the move to EV's but they are not for everyone. It won't be long before the range is 500-600 miles on all models, but as others have pointed out, there are many, many problems with the infrastructure required for charging on a mass scale, especially for people who don't have the luxury of being able to charge at their home or condo.
The automakers are responding to three things: Demand, keeping up with the competition, and government mandates. And like most things that involve the government, the people who are making the decisions are mostly morons and don't understand the law of unintended consequences.
I also live in California, where all new cars sold after 2035 are supposed to be electric. We'll see how that works out. And a regime change, if at all possible could reverse that decision overnight.
As I approach age 66 I'm not sure how much longer I am going to be able to be a motorhead. Hopefully by 2035 I'll still be more lucid than Creepy Joe. I am awaiting a 2021 F Type R. People who know I worked for Tesla ask me why I didn't buy one of those, since their performance specs are so impressive. My answer was that I want a gas guzzling, fire breathing, loud, hydrocarbon emitting V8 sexy sports car while I can still buy one. I think when it arrives I am going to take a photo of me sitting in it and thumbing my nose and send it to Greta Thunberg.
I've said it before and I'll say it again - I have serious reservations about buying an EV from a company that can't resolve the issue where using the OBD port causes the battery to drain. I know OBD won't exactly be relevant in an EV but it just doesn't inspire confidence in their electrical engineers.
I've said it before and I'll say it again - I have serious reservations about buying an EV from a company that can't resolve the issue where using the OBD port causes the battery to drain. I know OBD won't exactly be relevant in an EV but it just doesn't inspire confidence in their electrical engineers.
lol, it's kind of ironic that electrics really are the thing that destroyed Jag's reputation which ultimately means it has to to reborn - with electrics.
If anyone can make an electric car that would be fun to drive notwithstanding the absence of gears and noise, it'd be Jag. And they have a bit of experience up their sleeve already.
I could see an electric Jag in my garage, in the fullness of time. Next to my F Type.
I've said it before and I'll say it again - I have serious reservations about buying an EV from a company that can't resolve the issue where using the OBD port causes the battery to drain. I know OBD won't exactly be relevant in an EV but it just doesn't inspire confidence in their electrical engineers.
I'd wager it's not the electrical engineers who are to blame for that, but the software engineers.
I am retired from Tesla. I get the move to EV's but they are not for everyone. It won't be long before the range is 500-600 miles on all models, but as others have pointed out, there are many, many problems with the infrastructure required for charging on a mass scale, especially for people who don't have the luxury of being able to charge at their home or condo.
The automakers are responding to three things: Demand, keeping up with the competition, and government mandates. And like most things that involve the government, the people who are making the decisions are mostly morons and don't understand the law of unintended consequences.
I also live in California, where all new cars sold after 2035 are supposed to be electric. We'll see how that works out. And a regime change, if at all possible could reverse that decision overnight.
As I approach age 66 I'm not sure how much longer I am going to be able to be a motorhead. Hopefully by 2035 I'll still be more lucid than Creepy Joe. I am awaiting a 2021 F Type R. People who know I worked for Tesla ask me why I didn't buy one of those, since their performance specs are so impressive. My answer was that I want a gas guzzling, fire breathing, loud, hydrocarbon emitting V8 sexy sports car while I can still buy one. I think when it arrives I am going to take a photo of me sitting in it and thumbing my nose and send it to Greta Thunberg.
This isn't parler, breitbart or some Q nutbag board. you probably ought to take your really incisive criticism of Biden and Greta back over there.
02-15-2021, 08:24 AM
