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Old 10-21-2014, 09:40 AM
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Has anyone installed a custom installed radar detector, as well as a laser jamming system such as the Antilaser Priority or Laser Interceptor on an F-type?

I would like to see pics of mounting locations.
 
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A couple of us have. There are threads on the first page of this forum that you can read and give you an idea.

At least two of us have the Passport Max hardwired. Mine is mounted to the left side of the rear view mirror with the hard wire mark/mute switch by my right knee. The power cord used was in the center console (I believe on the right).

I am pretty close to pulling the trigger on Escorts Laser Jamming system (the new one)... I just really want a V8 so until I can make up my mind - sticking with the Max.

The Max 2 has bluetooth built in so you don't need the bluetooth direct wire adapter, just the hardwire cord.

I have gotten exactly zero tickets with my radar installed. The app, when on the highway, works really well... everyone has their own opinion obviously on which detector works best. If the V1 was a little more snazzy looking - I would use that over the Max.

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Old 10-21-2014, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by New2Jag
A couple of us have.
Thanks. I prefer an installed detector over a windshield unit with a hardwire.

I think the best currently are the Bel Stir+ and the Stinger VIP. And here in ATL you need laser protection - a radar detector by itself is useless when 75% of speed enforcement is with laser here.

My main issue is I can't find any examples of installs.
 
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Old 10-21-2014, 03:46 PM
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Beltronics is Escort FYI. The STIR is the 9500ci... capability wise, it's a unit beneath the Max/Max2, my unit is just not a custom install with an LED readout somewhere inconspicuous.

I think the reason a lot of people went with 'hardwired' radar detectors instead of an integrated unit is because there was limited, if not any places (for me) to install the LED readout on the 9500ci (the custom install unit comparatively to the unit I own). You can buy the LaserShifter Pro from Bel/Escort for $599 I think. The LaserShifter they offer is a completely separate unit from any unit you can install. The ZR4 (RX45 through Bell) has interoperability, but it SUCKS.

I've been driving my car for almost a year... there is limited places to put anything including the LED readout required to do a custom install. You could have someone build an enclosure and cover it in nice leather... but good luck getting it to match perfectly. You could always go with a faux carbon fiber fabric, but you're still stuck trying to find placement for the control buttons.

I'd much rather have an integrated unit... but again, the Laser jammer that they make isn't available with a bridge connection... at least, not the one that actually works.
 
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Old 10-21-2014, 04:28 PM
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Beltronics is Escort FYI. The STIR is the 9500ci... capability wise, it's a unit beneath the Max/Max2, my unit is just not a custom install with an LED readout somewhere inconspicuous. I think the reason a lot of people went with 'hardwired' radar detectors instead of an integrated unit is because there was limited, if not any places (for me) to install the LED readout on the 9500ci (the custom install unit comparatively to the unit I own). You can buy the LaserShifter Pro from Bel/Escort for $599 I think. The LaserShifter they offer is a completely separate unit from any unit you can install. The ZR4 (RX45 through Bell) has interoperability, but it SUCKS. I've been driving my car for almost a year... there is limited places to put anything including the LED readout required to do a custom install. You could have someone build an enclosure and cover it in nice leather... but good luck getting it to match perfectly. You could always go with a faux carbon fiber fabric, but you're still stuck trying to find placement for the control buttons. I'd much rather have an integrated unit... but again, the Laser jammer that they make isn't available with a bridge connection... at least, not the one that actually works.
Thanks. I was also aware that Bel and Escort are the same company. I am somewhat of an advanced user in this space hence my mention of a patch antenna product above. Here are some points to note:

1) The STIR+ is not the same as the 9500ci because it has band segmentation where the other 9500ci does not. Band segmentation is a killer feature because it provides the sensitivity to pickup instant on radar (when the cop is using short pulses to measure speed and not leaving it on). Most radar detectors can't pick this up.

2) The M4 antenna in the MAX may be newer than the M3 in the STIR+ but it doesn't provide more range and is less sensitive due to the lack of band segmentation. Another one to consider if you want top notch protection is the Stinger VIP with its patch antenna. Patch antenna technology is what the Navy uses on its latest vessels - they can scan all frequencies simultaneously enabling faster detection and increased sensitivity to pick up short burst transmissions.

3) none of the jammers you mentioned can jam the latest guns (e.g. the DALA Dragoneye" is not jammable by either the lasershifter pro or the ZR4). However the Antilaser Priority can jam that and all current guns. This is the system to buy for jamming.

4) I would mount the LED display on the dash just like in my BMW. It's in line of sight and easy to install there. Plus looks clean. To me the hard part is where to place the jammer heads.

5) I think integration of the radar and laser jammer is irrelevant. It doesn't bother me if they use different voices as long as I get the alert. With these things goal 1 is to beat the speed enforcement measures, integration is a nice to have.
 

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This photo illustrates how I would mount display on dash. It requires no drilling, no removal of dash and it is very inconspicuous when turned off. Can only be seen from drivers seat. From my perspective wrapping this in leather is not necessary - it blends in fine as is. After all the rear view mirror isn't wrapped in leather is it?
 
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Here are some pics I found of an F-type install. I personally would never do it this way. To me the faults of this install are:
1) Display isn't high enough.
2) Interior is slightly damaged as a result of this install - drilled holes in center console and instrument cluster (center console is the bezel for the gearbox so this may be a cheap part to replace). My requirement would be no drilling at all anywhere.
3) front laser jammer sensors are too low which poses risk in terms of detection on non-level surfaces.
4) There are no rear sensors. On my BMW they pushed the wires through the bezel of the license plate LED light clusters and then tape mounted the sensors on the lip above the license plate. I need to take a closer look at the F-type to ascertain if this will work for us.
5) No idea where this guy put the radar antenna. If there isn't a suitable place for the antenna then it may favor a windshield unit as you have suggested above.

 

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I installed a Beltronics STiR Plus and Front and rear ALPriority Sensors (2 in front and 1 in rear). I did not have to drill any holes in the interior of the vehicle. I have plenty of pictures of where I installed the radar unit, lidar sensors, processing units, screen and controls in this thread here :
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/f...-126879/page2/
My pictures and info is closer to the bottom of the thread.
 
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Originally Posted by abedh
I installed a Beltronics STiR Plus and Front and rear ALPriority Sensors (2 in front and 1 in rear). I did not have to drill any holes in the interior of the vehicle. I have plenty of pictures of where I installed the radar unit, lidar sensors, processing units, screen and controls in this thread here :
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/f...-126879/page2/
My pictures and info is closer to the bottom of the thread.
Thanks. This is very useful. Your install looks very good. Can I ask whether they considered installing the ALP heads above the bar instead of below the bar?

Also do you have a pic of the rear install? Are the sensors attached to the boot lid and go up when the tailgate goes up?
 
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Originally Posted by StealthPilot
Thanks. This is very useful. Your install looks very good. Can I ask whether they considered installing the ALP heads above the bar instead of below the bar?

Also do you have a pic of the rear install? Are the sensors attached to the boot lid and go up when the tailgate goes up?


LOL, there is no they, I did the entire front install myself :-)
I have considered many positions including higher up on the grille. I have a Lidar tester and noted that if a lidar shot comes up high the accuracy of detection maybe impaired, however that was done at 4 feet away from the grille with a tiny device powered by a AAA battery. I am hoping to participate in a Lidar testing event when one comes up again in the PNW to see how "protected" I am with this setup. The obvious advantage of having the units below the bar is that aesthetically it is more pleasing and it is more of a stealth install. The ALPriority units have a break away connector so it would be a relatively easy change to move them up vs. where they are today (ie I don't have to pull all the way from the firewall, just unplug from above the front wheel wells and reroute above the bar.
To date I have not had any encounters, it seems Lidar use in the areas I drive is minimal. What is interesting is that the BelTronics unit mounted behind the Grille is still sensitive to Lidar signals (and false alerts). The Beltronics Lidar unit which is built in to the Radar antenna false alerts a lot while the ALP is silent except for real alerts.
The only ALP alert I have gotten is a Poliscan alert, and I am weary of that alert as I did not think that Poilscan was used here in the US.
 
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Forgot to included a shot of the rear install in my last reply.
The rear routing is a PITA! I paid a local Car Toys to do the routing for me. They charged me two hours of labor, it took them 4 hours to route it...
 
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Originally Posted by abedh
LOL, there is no they, I did the entire front install myself :-)
I have considered many positions including higher up on the grille. I have a Lidar tester and noted that if a lidar shot comes up high the accuracy of detection maybe impaired, however that was done at 4 feet away from the grille with a tiny device powered by a AAA battery. I am hoping to participate in a Lidar testing event when one comes up again in the PNW to see how "protected" I am with this setup. The obvious advantage of having the units below the bar is that aesthetically it is more pleasing and it is more of a stealth install. The ALPriority units have a break away connector so it would be a relatively easy change to move them up vs. where they are today (ie I don't have to pull all the way from the firewall, just unplug from above the front wheel wells and reroute above the bar.
To date I have not had any encounters, it seems Lidar use in the areas I drive is minimal. What is interesting is that the BelTronics unit mounted behind the Grille is still sensitive to Lidar signals (and false alerts). The Beltronics Lidar unit which is built in to the Radar antenna false alerts a lot while the ALP is silent except for real alerts.
The only ALP alert I have gotten is a Poliscan alert, and I am weary of that alert as I did not think that Poilscan was used here in the US.
Thanks a lot for the information and the photo.

Regarding the false lidar alerts from the Beltronics - this is quite common with their product since it doesn't detect actual lidar signals but rather anything that looks like lidar. The best solution is actually just to switch off the laser receive function on the beltronics. The ALP is far more accurate and won't miss the real thing. This is the way I have configured the setup on my M5.
 
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