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Old Aug 8, 2016 | 02:24 PM
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Some of us would like to have more control over our active exhaust, like the Mods4Cars does for the convertible top. I found a company that offers a plug&play solution for that.
3-Way Exhaust Controller
It;s a three way remote controlled switch that allows 1. Normal operations, 2. always open and 3. always closed. Always open is not a problem in our cars but always closed is. There are times when you just want the car to be quiet (it happens).
Even though the Forzacomponenti web site shows the F Type in their advertisement they actually haven't fitted one on ours cars yet. I have emailed back and forth with Steve Bisel at Forza and he may offer a good discount to the first person that can sent him pictures of the solenoid plug and measure how long the wires need to be to mount the unit in the F type. Don't forget we have coupes and convertibles. I think the V6 and V8 probably use the same vacuum pump and solenoid. Then document it with pictures and mounting instructions.
I would do this myself but I am not in a position to do that.
If anyone want's to take Steve up on his offer email him at;
steve.bisel@forzacomponenti.com

I hope someone will do this, because I want one but I need plug&play without to much crawling around on the ground.

I am not affiliated with this company in any way. Just trying to help out the community.

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Old Aug 8, 2016 | 05:02 PM
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Now if they would make one for the 'spoiler', I'm in.
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Old Aug 8, 2016 | 05:06 PM
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There was a guy earlier that said he pulled a fuse or unplugged a connector to disable the spoiler. I was hoping for a mod that could use our spoiler switch as a true toggle....Anyone care to take that on, shouldn't be too hard to do.

I'd be in.
 
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Old Aug 8, 2016 | 05:20 PM
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Maybe one of you guys could give Steve a call. He could probably makes sometime up. I'm sure that same problem applies across may car models. That may interest them in making a controller.
 
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Old Aug 8, 2016 | 05:48 PM
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In Yoorup the spoiler switch gives you full control below the automatic activation speed. After that, you have to wait for the spoiler to go back down before you can control it again (with the switch. The foot pedals still give you control as is).

For the exhaust, surely the switch already gives you Normal and Always Open? Unless you Rev it in normal, it will stay shut.

Finally: the latest cars appear to have dispensed with the vacuum pump, and use manifold vacuum to power the valves, so how would this system work with these cars?
 
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Old Aug 8, 2016 | 05:58 PM
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In Yoorup the spoiler switch gives you full control below the automatic activation speed. After that, you have to wait for the spoiler to go back down before you can control it again (with the switch. The foot pedals still give you control as is).

For the exhaust, surely the switch already gives you Normal and Always Open? Unless you Rev it in normal, it will stay shut.

Finally: the latest cars appear to have dispensed with the vacuum pump, and use manifold vacuum to power the valves, so how would this system work with these cars?
It doesn't take very much throttle to open the valves and you have no control on start up. With or without the vacuum pump you still have a solenoid valve that controls the exhaust valves and that is what the controller operates.
 
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Old Aug 8, 2016 | 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Mulmur
Now if they would make one for the 'spoiler', I'm in.
Lawrence
+1. The 2 active exhaust system options are perfect for my purposes. The fully adjustable spoiler plus auto mode though would be a great enhancement.
 
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Old Aug 8, 2016 | 09:02 PM
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For the spoiler, I do not want to be cruising on the highway for hours at a time, at 75 - 80 with the spoiler sitting up.. likely affects fuel mileage and it does cut visibility plus I personally prefer the way the car looks with it down.

For the exhaust, I live in an isolated area, so the start up noise doesn't bother anyone.
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Old Aug 9, 2016 | 01:16 AM
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Hi All,

WayneB had reached out to me about the controller device for the F-Type. He pointed to the thread here and I see there are some questions I thought I might answer.

First ... from my research and some info that WayneB provided me, the bypass valves on the exhaust system are vacuum actuated. The source of the vacuum (i.e., a vacuum pump or from manifold vacuum) is irrelevant. Regardless of the source, the vacuum is controlled by a solenoid valve. The controller device will manage the solenoid valve providing three modes of operation:
  1. Normal Mode. The vehicle's ECU manages open and closed
  2. Always Open. The valves are forced open at all times.
  3. Always Closed. The valves are forced closed at all times.
I would be happy to answer any other questions and provide more details. Just PM me.


I saw someone mention the active spoiler ... is this device controlled by a dedicated fuse? If it is, if you pull the fuse, that should disable it. If you want to toggle control, then a simple switch on the circuit will enable / disable it. If there are other devices on that circuit, then this solution will not work. If the spoiler has a dedicated fuse, then I can assist in one of two ways ... I can provide a circuit and list the parts you would need to install a manual switch yourself. If you confirm this for me, I can post here with diagrams and parts list. I can also help with a remote control switch as well using radio frequency remote fob.


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Steve
 
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Old Aug 9, 2016 | 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by forza
Hi All,

WayneB had reached out to me about the controller device for the F-Type. He pointed to the thread here and I see there are some questions I thought I might answer.

First ... from my research and some info that WayneB provided me, the bypass valves on the exhaust system are vacuum actuated. The source of the vacuum (i.e., a vacuum pump or from manifold vacuum) is irrelevant. Regardless of the source, the vacuum is controlled by a solenoid valve. The controller device will manage the solenoid valve providing three modes of operation:
  1. Normal Mode. The vehicle's ECU manages open and closed
  2. Always Open. The valves are forced open at all times.
  3. Always Closed. The valves are forced closed at all times.
I would be happy to answer any other questions and provide more details. Just PM me.


I saw someone mention the active spoiler ... is this device controlled by a dedicated fuse? If it is, if you pull the fuse, that should disable it. If you want to toggle control, then a simple switch on the circuit will enable / disable it. If there are other devices on that circuit, then this solution will not work. If the spoiler has a dedicated fuse, then I can assist in one of two ways ... I can provide a circuit and list the parts you would need to install a manual switch yourself. If you confirm this for me, I can post here with diagrams and parts list. I can also help with a remote control switch as well using radio frequency remote fob.


Regards,


Steve
Hey Steve, We have a toggle in our cars already for the spoiler. The problem is that there are speed overrides that prevent it from acting as we want. What we need to do is to override the override and just enable the toggle to simply lift and retract, regardless of the speed.

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Old Aug 9, 2016 | 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Mulmur
For the spoiler, I do not want to be cruising on the highway for hours at a time, at 75 - 80 with the spoiler sitting up.. likely affects fuel mileage
Maybe, maybe not. Depending on which Jaguar marketing material you read, the F-TYPE spoiler reduces lift, generates downforce, or "increases aerodynamic efficiency". It doesn't look like it could generate much downforce, but it certainly will have a spoiling effect on the airflow around the car..

In any case, when traveling at speed, you want all of the reduced lift and generated downforce you can get in case you need to maneuver or if you hit a puddle. Furthermore, on the highway the spoiler should actually be increasing your mileage if it's doing its job correctly.

I'm going to guess that Jaguar did some wind tunnel testing of this system, and won't be overriding it to turn if off, myself.
 
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Old Aug 9, 2016 | 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by polarisnavyxj
Hey Steve, We have a toggle in our cars already for the spoiler. The problem is that there are speed overrides that prevent it from acting as we want. What we need to do is to override the override and just enable the toggle to simply lift and retract, regardless of the speed.

Thanks for joining and contributing here.
Thx for clarifying. When the spoiler deploys, is the deployment a binary function? That is to say, is either completely retracted or completely extended only. Nothing in between? If it is just a binary function, it would be fairly simple to use a three way switch to provide a normal mode and an always down and always up mode.

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Old Aug 9, 2016 | 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by forza
Thx for clarifying. When the spoiler deploys, is the deployment a binary function? That is to say, is either completely retracted or completely extended only. Nothing in between? If it is just a binary function, it would be fairly simple to use a three way switch to provide a normal mode and an always down and always up mode.

Steve

Binary function.

It would be great to have these options available for the coupe.
 
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Old Aug 9, 2016 | 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by MI-FType
Binary function.

It would be great to have these options available for the coupe.
That is good then. But, I need some help from an F-Type owner ...

I do not have access to an F-Type. The actuator for the spoiler is either vacuum actuated or an electric motor. It is not particularly important which. What is important is to understand what the electrical connector looks like on the actuator. This would either be the electric motor or the vacuum solenoid valve.

For example, the electrical connector on the vacuum solenoid valve for the exhaust bypass valves probably looks like this attachment.

Also, is there a fuse block located nearby? For example, in the luggage compartment.

If I can get this info, I can do up an electrical schematic and parts you would need and provide a parts list to install a simple three switch that would give you the function you are looking for.

Steve
 
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Old Aug 11, 2016 | 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Mulmur
Now if they would make one for the 'spoiler', I'm in.
Lawrence
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