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1st pic looks like a vert, Second looks like a sedan. I think it's an XE.
I love how when old people now confuse the accelerator and brake it's ... It accelerated uncontrollably. This never happened before the Toyota lawsuits a few years back now it's mysteriously a common occurrence.
Tesla is calling out its owners that are blaming the cars ... All manufacturers should pull then data from the cars and do the same.
I love how when old people now confuse the accelerator and brake it's ... It accelerated uncontrollably. This never happened before the Toyota lawsuits a few years back now it's mysteriously a common occurrence.
Tesla is calling out its owners that are blaming the cars ... All manufacturers should pull then data from the cars and do the same.
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It's definitely a sedan - the bonnet bulge is a giveaway. It's not an XJ (they are too long to park in coach spaces let alone a swimming pool) so it must be an XE of an XF.
Thank goodness she was able to get out ok and shut the door. You don't want anyone diving in and nicking it!
I'm with Shaun - when I hear the phrase "uncontrolled accerlation" with modern electronic throttle cars it is usually a case of the driver pressing the wrong pedal or catching the accelerator with their foot and then in the panic pressing it further. Even if you floor the gas the brakes will always provide enough stopping power to reduce the speed not increase it and the engine will stall once the wheels stop. You'd need a multiple failure for that not to happen. (At least on 2WD vehicles - is that the same with AWD?) Turning the engine off should also stop it running, unless you have a diesel that is running on its own oil.
With key-started cars it is easy to turn off the engine but keep the ignition active and the steering column unlocked. I'm not sure how you would do that with a keyless car where you don't want the steering column to lock?
The only time I have experienced uncontrolled acceleration in a car was in a petrol Audi A4 about 10 years ago when the throttle wire jammed, and the brakes brought it to a stop safely. Fortunately no swimming pools where hurt in that incident.
Thank goodness she was able to get out ok and shut the door. You don't want anyone diving in and nicking it!
I'm with Shaun - when I hear the phrase "uncontrolled accerlation" with modern electronic throttle cars it is usually a case of the driver pressing the wrong pedal or catching the accelerator with their foot and then in the panic pressing it further. Even if you floor the gas the brakes will always provide enough stopping power to reduce the speed not increase it and the engine will stall once the wheels stop. You'd need a multiple failure for that not to happen. (At least on 2WD vehicles - is that the same with AWD?) Turning the engine off should also stop it running, unless you have a diesel that is running on its own oil.
With key-started cars it is easy to turn off the engine but keep the ignition active and the steering column unlocked. I'm not sure how you would do that with a keyless car where you don't want the steering column to lock?
The only time I have experienced uncontrolled acceleration in a car was in a petrol Audi A4 about 10 years ago when the throttle wire jammed, and the brakes brought it to a stop safely. Fortunately no swimming pools where hurt in that incident.
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Unintended acceleration or at least perceived unintended acceleration put Audi out of business in the United States for many, many years. Reports started in late 1970's, and by the mid-80's Audi was out of the U.S. market. They consistently denied any mechanical problem and blamed driver error.
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If you followed Toyota runaway acceleration issue, it was traced down to flawed firmware that could, on rare occasions, fail in an unsafe way. They even changed design on Prius as an additional safety measure. That why they settled, but at that time it was out of news cycle, so not many people heard about this.
In a conventional gasoline engine brakes will overpower engine, but I am not sure this would be the case in a hybrid or all-electric car.
In a conventional gasoline engine brakes will overpower engine, but I am not sure this would be the case in a hybrid or all-electric car.
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Unintended acceleration or at least perceived unintended acceleration put Audi out of business in the United States for many, many years. Reports started in late 1970's, and by the mid-80's Audi was out of the U.S. market. They consistently denied any mechanical problem and blamed driver error.
In one famous case, the prosecution was blaming the acceleration on a faulty cruise control unit. Audi pointed out that the majority of cars involved were not equipped with cruise control.
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If you followed Toyota runaway acceleration issue, it was traced down to flawed firmware that could, on rare occasions, fail in an unsafe way. They even changed design on Prius as an additional safety measure. That why they settled, but at that time it was out of news cycle, so not many people heard about this.
It's All Your Fault: The DOT Renders Its Verdict on Toyota's Unintended-Acceleration Scare ? Feature ? Car and Driver
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That's not true. The NHTSA's lengthy investigation exonerated Toyota, but only after irreparable harm had been done to their reputation (not to mention sales). Every case was either floor mats not secured properly or driver error.
It's All Your Fault: The DOT Renders Its Verdict on Toyota's Unintended-Acceleration Scare ? Feature ? Car and Driver
It's All Your Fault: The DOT Renders Its Verdict on Toyota's Unintended-Acceleration Scare ? Feature ? Car and Driver
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Unintended acceleration or at least perceived unintended acceleration put Audi out of business in the United States for many, many years. Reports started in late 1970's, and by the mid-80's Audi was out of the U.S. market. They consistently denied any mechanical problem and blamed driver error.
She received a new car; we received peace of mind.
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I don't know whether most of the cases were real mechanical issues or driver error (I would suspect driver error), however, one driver parked in front of a store in our shopping center, hopped the concrete parking stop, hopped the curb, shot past ten feet of sidewalk, and barreled through a stone faced wall and window and ended up inside one of our tenants' store. Now that's what I called "unintended acceleration!"
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I don't know whether most of the cases were real mechanical issues or driver error (I would suspect driver error), however, one driver parked in front of a store in our shopping center, hopped the concrete parking stop, hopped the curb, shot past ten feet of sidewalk, and barreled through a stone faced wall and window and ended up inside one of our tenants' store. Now that's what I called "unintended acceleration!"
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I don't know whether most of the cases were real mechanical issues or driver error (I would suspect driver error), however, one driver parked in front of a store in our shopping center, hopped the concrete parking stop, hopped the curb, shot past ten feet of sidewalk, and barreled through a stone faced wall and window and ended up inside one of our tenants' store. Now that's what I called "unintended acceleration!"
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If you're referring to the poster above, he said that was true with a conventional car. Electrics are interesting because they make maximum torque when the car is not moving. A car like a Tesla, of course, is smart enough to ignore the accelerator when the brakes are applied (except, presumably, in launch mode), but I wonder if the motors could overcome the brakes in the absence of those safety measures?