P 7 Bumper-less Grille Installed
#301
I've had to work the diameter with sandpaper a little bit.
Otherwise, everything was perfect.
There are two rubbers for the sensors. A transparent and a black. The transparent rubber is slightly wider than the black rubber. Therefore you have to work with the transparent rubber somewhat more with sandpaper.
I have used the straight sensors. But it should also work with the angle sensors.
Otherwise, everything was perfect.
There are two rubbers for the sensors. A transparent and a black. The transparent rubber is slightly wider than the black rubber. Therefore you have to work with the transparent rubber somewhat more with sandpaper.
I have used the straight sensors. But it should also work with the angle sensors.
#302
Has anybody determined which style of sensor is best for connecting and running the wires?
Also, is anybody else having to sand the Interior Diameter of the adapter to get the sensor with rubber grommet to fit.
Also noting that the sensor does not fit flush to the front of the adapter before the flange on the backside bottoms out on the back of the adapter. Apparently need to sand or shave about 2mm off the thickness of the adapter to get a flush fit. I have tools to accomplish this... just wondering if I'm the only one having to make these manipulations.
Also, is anybody else having to sand the Interior Diameter of the adapter to get the sensor with rubber grommet to fit.
Also noting that the sensor does not fit flush to the front of the adapter before the flange on the backside bottoms out on the back of the adapter. Apparently need to sand or shave about 2mm off the thickness of the adapter to get a flush fit. I have tools to accomplish this... just wondering if I'm the only one having to make these manipulations.
2. The sensor fits very well. The trick is to remove the black rubber grommet from the front of the sensor and to install that grommet in the adaptor first (from the rear) before inserting the sensor. Use water to lubricate the grommet before you insert the sensor. (minds out of the gutter please). Don't mess with the clear rings.
3. I believe we have to use the OEM front sensors with the connection from the side. I think using the OEM rear sensor with the connection straight out the back will interfere with the cross-member. There doesn't seem to be enough space between the cross-member and the grille for that sensor to work.
Meister_Kajo how much space is between the grille and cross-member to accommodate those sensors
Last edited by Unhingd; 07-10-2017 at 07:42 PM.
#303
1. Take a close look at my pics. The sensors are indeed flush with the front of the adaptors. (see item 2 below)
2. The sensor fits very well. The trick is to remove the black rubber grommet from the front of the sensor and to install that grommet in the adaptor first (from the rear) before inserting the sensor. Use water to lubricate the grommet before you insert the sensor. (minds out of the gutter please). Don't mess with the clear rings.
3. I believe we have to use the OEM front sensors with the connection from the side. I think using the OEM rear sensor with the connection straight out the back will interfere with the cross-member. There doesn't seem to be enough space between the cross-member and the grille for that sensor to work.
Meister_Kajo how much space is between the grille and cross-member to accommodate those sensors
2. The sensor fits very well. The trick is to remove the black rubber grommet from the front of the sensor and to install that grommet in the adaptor first (from the rear) before inserting the sensor. Use water to lubricate the grommet before you insert the sensor. (minds out of the gutter please). Don't mess with the clear rings.
3. I believe we have to use the OEM front sensors with the connection from the side. I think using the OEM rear sensor with the connection straight out the back will interfere with the cross-member. There doesn't seem to be enough space between the cross-member and the grille for that sensor to work.
Meister_Kajo how much space is between the grille and cross-member to accommodate those sensors
I have translucent clear grommets. Where is the best place to get the Black ones?
Had already figured a tiny smear of dish soap would lube my way in, but was surprised how much I had to open her up before getting anywhere close to a tight fit
#304
#305
There is sufficient space for the straight sensors. How much exactly can I not suffer because I have not measured. This measurement I could still make.If you use the angle sensors, you can see the angle through the honeycombs a bit.The black rubber was included in the straight sensors.
#306
Thank you. If there is enough room, the straight sensors are indeed the best to use. The spousal unit is out of town this weekend, so it will be a good time to pull the car apart and get to this project. Have to see if my surround has been wrapped yet. The chrome wrap was on special order.
#307
Thank you. If there is enough room, the straight sensors are indeed the best to use. The spousal unit is out of town this weekend, so it will be a good time to pull the car apart and get to this project. Have to see if my surround has been wrapped yet. The chrome wrap was on special order.
I did not get any grommets with my sensors. Had to order grommets from a different source and there was no color choice offered.
Appears to me there is easily 4" of clearance between the bumper bar (once the foam is removed) and the back side of the grille. What have you found is the best source to obtain the straight sensors?
#308
Please let me know how the Chrome wrap turns out.
I did not get any grommets with my sensors. Had to order grommets from a different source and there was no color choice offered.
Appears to me there is easily 4" of clearance between the bumper bar (once the foam is removed) and the back side of the grille. What have you found is the best source to obtain the straight sensors?
I did not get any grommets with my sensors. Had to order grommets from a different source and there was no color choice offered.
Appears to me there is easily 4" of clearance between the bumper bar (once the foam is removed) and the back side of the grille. What have you found is the best source to obtain the straight sensors?
I will take close-ups of the surround when I get it back.
Thank you for the additional info on the clearance. The "grommet" is a thin rubber ring that comes with the sensor. You can't tell it's there until you peel it off.
Just google the LR and Jag part numbers. The ones from China are from exactly the same source where JLR gets them:
C2Z22810
LR011602
You can get them for less than $15 each delivered. (compare with Jag dealer at $110).
Last edited by Unhingd; 07-11-2017 at 09:18 PM.
#310
1. Take a close look at my pics. The sensors are indeed flush with the front of the adaptors. (see item 2 below)
2. The sensor fits very well. The trick is to remove the black rubber grommet from the front of the sensor and to install that grommet in the adaptor first (from the rear) before inserting the sensor. Use water to lubricate the grommet before you insert the sensor. (minds out of the gutter please). Don't mess with the clear rings.
3. I believe we have to use the OEM front sensors with the connection from the side. I think using the OEM rear sensor with the connection straight out the back will interfere with the cross-member. There doesn't seem to be enough space between the cross-member and the grille for that sensor to work.
Meister_Kajo how much space is between the grille and cross-member to accommodate those sensors
2. The sensor fits very well. The trick is to remove the black rubber grommet from the front of the sensor and to install that grommet in the adaptor first (from the rear) before inserting the sensor. Use water to lubricate the grommet before you insert the sensor. (minds out of the gutter please). Don't mess with the clear rings.
3. I believe we have to use the OEM front sensors with the connection from the side. I think using the OEM rear sensor with the connection straight out the back will interfere with the cross-member. There doesn't seem to be enough space between the cross-member and the grille for that sensor to work.
Meister_Kajo how much space is between the grille and cross-member to accommodate those sensors
There are some other dimensional differences when comparing that style sensor to some of the other pictures I've seen posted, so I must have received some knock-off version, as they did not come with any grommets, in either color.
I have ordered some of the straight ones from eBay
#311
Agreed...those don't look anything like the OEM sensors.
#313
Instead of mounting sensors with connectors pointing inward, he pointed them outward in order to avoid having wiring exposed behind grille. He glued wires from sensors directly around trapezoids so they can not be seen, and they exit to the side of grille.
3 He then mounted wiring harness to run below grille, and then extended sensor wires to go below and around surround. Since sensor wires are not color coded, he colored them with different colored nail polish before he cut them. I thought the sensor wires looked to be about 24 gauge (they are 1mm od) but couldn't find it locally and didn't have time to order it online so I found a couple old power supplys from a radio and an old router which I think is 24 gauge and he cut it up and spliced them in. They work!
#314
Instead of mounting sensors with connectors pointing inward, he pointed them outward in order to avoid having wiring exposed behind grille. He glued wires from sensors directly around trapezoids so they can not be seen, and they exit to the side of grille.
3 He then mounted wiring harness to run below grille, and then extended sensor wires to go below and around surround. Since sensor wires are not color coded, he colored them with different colored nail polish before he cut them. I thought the sensor wires looked to be about 24 gauge (they are 1mm od) but couldn't find it locally and didn't have time to order it online so I found a couple old power supplys from a radio and an old router which I think is 24 gauge and he cut it up and spliced them in. They work!
3 He then mounted wiring harness to run below grille, and then extended sensor wires to go below and around surround. Since sensor wires are not color coded, he colored them with different colored nail polish before he cut them. I thought the sensor wires looked to be about 24 gauge (they are 1mm od) but couldn't find it locally and didn't have time to order it online so I found a couple old power supplys from a radio and an old router which I think is 24 gauge and he cut it up and spliced them in. They work!
I've read this before, though it sounds like this installer was guessing at the gauge of the wire. Can anyone who has removed the front clip or completed this P7 Grille swap confirm the gauge of the sensor wire. I would rather acquire the correct wire in Black casing in advance of removing the clip, than guess on the fly or MacGyver some wire from an old appliance.
#315
I had the grille installed yesterday and it looks fantastic! I will post some pictures later today.
The bodyshop took great care and paid enormous attention to fitting the sensor holders and running the cables. Unfortunately despite fitting and re fitting the bumper on no less than 6 occasions and re mounting and re positioning the sensors, they work but not as perfectly as before. They have been angled slightly up to reduce false indications, the fitter is a perfectionist and is not happy with their performance.
He has asked me to find out if anyone has the perfect solution, without restoring it to the original specification!
The bodyshop took great care and paid enormous attention to fitting the sensor holders and running the cables. Unfortunately despite fitting and re fitting the bumper on no less than 6 occasions and re mounting and re positioning the sensors, they work but not as perfectly as before. They have been angled slightly up to reduce false indications, the fitter is a perfectionist and is not happy with their performance.
He has asked me to find out if anyone has the perfect solution, without restoring it to the original specification!
#316
A question, do you get false indications from the front sensors when engaging reverse? I do and I have to press the button to cancel the front sensors. This normally occurs when the car is in the street, less so in the garage could that be due to light levels.
The front sensors do work but do not work as well as the original position. If yours are perfect what am I doing wrong?
The front sensors do work but do not work as well as the original position. If yours are perfect what am I doing wrong?
#317
A question, do you get false indications from the front sensors when engaging reverse? I do and I have to press the button to cancel the front sensors. This normally occurs when the car is in the street, less so in the garage could that be due to light levels.
The front sensors do work but do not work as well as the original position. If yours are perfect what am I doing wrong?
The front sensors do work but do not work as well as the original position. If yours are perfect what am I doing wrong?
Did you use the right-angle sensor with the connector running to the side, or the straight sensor with the connecter pointing to the back of the car?
If the later, where did your tech route the wires ?
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#320
Don't have and answer for your question, but would love to see some close up pics of the finished install. Pics of how you routed the wires in particular.
Did you use the right-angle sensor with the connector running to the side, or the straight sensor with the connecter pointing to the back of the car?
If the later, where did your tech route the wires ?
Did you use the right-angle sensor with the connector running to the side, or the straight sensor with the connecter pointing to the back of the car?
If the later, where did your tech route the wires ?
Sorry but I palmed off all the work to a specialist, so I have no clue as to the wiring runs. I do know however that because of the false positives from the front sensors, the engineer switched back from the newly purchased straight sensors to the original angled ones to eliminate the possibility of a faulty sensor. He decided to leave the original angled version as in his opinion the connections on the straight sensors were too close to the protection bar.
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