Every so often I see a post where other F type owners are unhappy with the factory rubber. Well, I'm beyond that point, I am P.O.'d beyond belief! Took my 2021 F type R into the dealership today for it's second oil change. I only drive it in the summer and early Fall, but the weather conditions have to be in my favor or it stays nice and clean in my garage. I have to admit, I am a tire pressure freak, usually checking it twice a week and adjusting the pressures accordingly for the differences of "inside my garage" temp vs. "outside air temps".
OK, 3845 miles on my little beauty, never run in winter weather, got rained on one time, immaculate condition PPF with Xpel Ultimate and after that, Ceramic Pro'd.
My rear Pirelli tires, size 305/20 P Zeros, treadwear measures 2 & 3 thousandths on left and right side, respectively. Front tires both measure 7 thousandths. What kind of wear is this? Did anyone here have a similar very low mileage experience on their Pirellis and did they get any help from Pirelli with a price adjustment?

 

Surely you mean 2 or 3 or 7 32s (2/32 or 3/32 or 7/32) of an inch, not thousandths (of an inch)??? Or maybe 2 or 3 or 7 millimetres?
2 or 3 thousands is almost nothing and would be damn near impossible to measure accurately with a normal tread depth gauge.
I have always struggled with the North American convention of measuring or expressing tire (tyre!) tread depth in 32's of an inch when the rest of the civilised world uses millimetres, soooo much easier and more sensible, and this apparent confusion between 1/32s and thousandths confirms my point.

 

When I replaced my OEM Pirellis with Michelin all seasons on my 21 vert P380, they had done about 8K miles.
Fronts had 8+/32 remaining and rears were at 6+/32.
I figured the rears were good for about 15K miles of normal driving which I think has been the general experience of others.

 

One benefit of the fast-wearing P-Zeros on the F-Type is that you have a reason to replace them with decent tires. I couldn’t wait to take off the miserable Pirellis and put on a set of Michelins…the handling was transformed.

 

No topic has been as widely discussed on this forum more than the OEM vs aftermarket tires issue. Without looking I'd guess there are at least 100 threads. At least...

 

Pirellis are utter garbage tyres , my personal opinion. Do yourself a favour and put a set of mp4s on it

 

or supersports, the ride is a little nicer and the ridge is bigger I think, so less kerb rash

 

I have been buying two rears for every one front. Doesn't matter if it's the RE980's I run in the winter or the PS4S's I run in the summer. It is what it is, fancy sports car wise.

 

I replaced my P-Zeros at about 7,000 miles and they had about 7/32 remaining. They would have lasted at least another 7,000 miles.

 

First off, I owe a big time apology for morphing that measurement in thousandths instead of 32's! I know better than that, but I guess my butt takes over after being up for 30 hours straight with a severe asthma patient, in and out of the hospital a couple of days before...just dumb mistake on my part and my buddy OzXFR, I thought you would have covered for me!
Well as the circus continues, I called Pirelli's USA office and talked with Customer Service...I'm probably not being fair, but that conversation went no where. This guy said that was Jaguar's spec because the R model is a racing Jaguar F type and that's what Jaguar wanted/demanded on this model. He continued saying that was normal mileage on that tire in that vehicle and that's why the rear tires are larger then the fronts. I told him the fronts had 7/32" on them and that response was like pissing in the ocean. He said if any adjustments were to be made, the dealer has to make the claim and then if any moneys were to be returned, it would be thru the dealer. The next call was to the Jaguar dealer and I had a long conversation with the dealer's Service Manager, a very nice, professional guy and he agreed to go to bat for me but also said if there is any adjustment, a 40% discount from new would likely be the maximum, I won't accept that discount, I'll buy something different from the Tire Rack. They won't be the same tread pattern, I'm sure as the Pirellis, but I don't race the car, I just drive it for fun. I'm likely like many of you, I don't mind paying premium money if it has a premium product but I 'won't pay that kind of money, even with a 40% discount, if that new pair of rear tires is only going to last 3845 miles in my application.

 

What a load of bollocks from the Pirelli rep!
It's been a topic of debate for decades where the Jaguar "R" designation came from or what it means and no-one knows for sure.
It may have meant "race" a very long time ago but by the 90's it simply applied to supercharged variants, which of course then caused more confusion and debate over what an "S" variant signifies (eg F-Type S V6 which as we know is supercharged). So does R mean supercharged, or does it mean race, and does S mean sport or something else?
All we know for sure is that for a few years R meant the highest performance variant which since the 2000s meant a supercharged V8, and it still does regards the F-Type.
To top it off the Pirelli rep seems to be saying that the P-Zeros on the F-Type R wear out so fast because they are a special soft "race" compound. What a complete load of BS, if this were the case why were (still are?) ALL OEM 20" tyres fitted to the F-Type, even the 4 potter, Pirelli P-Zeros with the exact same compound as those fitted to the R???
What is blindingly obvious is that from the launch of the F-Type JLR entered into a binding deal with Pirelli for them to be the main OEM tire supplier and that deal is still in place, no matter how unsuitable the P-Zero has proven to be.

 

I would ask the dealership to check the 4 wheel alignment on the car.

 

Every jaguar I've had (4 including my current F-Type) has required rear tyre replacement after 10,000 miles. Many decades ago a tyre dealer told "these low profile tyres are the saviour of the tyre industry."

 

I've now done some 43,000 km (26,700 miles) on my rear MPS4S (and one of the fronts, the other was destroyed and replaced around 3.5 years ago) and they still have some life in them yet. Not yet down to the wear bars but getting close.
Maybe coz I drive "conservatively" in my dotage and only occasionally spin up the rears or rag it around the twisties? Maybe a small contribution from the way I slow down and brake (unlike almost all other drivers I see on the road), I read the traffic, the lights etc and slow down gradually and I almost never brake hard and I don't think I have ever invoked ABS.
I also check tyre pressures and add air if necessary every two weeks or so.
I had the wheels aligned when I had the MPS4S fitted and have never needed another alignment since.
Point is, I reckon tyre wear is not just down to tyre brand/type/spec etc but is also greatly effected by pressure, alignment and driving style.

 

That’s really low mileage for the amount of threads used. I would skip the dealership unless they are able to offer you non Pirellis tires. And also ask about warranty but keep in mind that since we are not able to rotate tires, warranty is halved. My PS4’s are only warranted to 15k now but since I only drive about 3k a year, that shouldn’t be a problem as I’d likely replace them after 5 years anyway.

 

I wish I could get 10k on my P-zero tires, but they keep developing sidewall bubbles and have to be replaced. IF I can wear this current set down enough to need to be replaced the new tires will not be Pirelli tires. Most likely either Michelin or Continental.

 

A lot of placebo effects here: old tyres VS new brand tyres

If there is a difference it is minimal.

Here is a test with the new Pzero PZ4 (winner)

 

Having just done the seasonal swap from my A/S 980’s to the summer PS4S I can assure you it’s not placebo. Every spring I am amazed at the transformative handling.

 

I thought the Pirelli's handled fine, but the rears break traction a lot, and the ride is hard compared to the bitchelins

 

Zero placebo effect here. The OEM Pirellis were so bad that I was looking into the issue within the first 1500 miles. I originally switched to Falkens, which never showed rhe issues I had with the P-Zeros, even at the end of their life. The Falkens handled better at 15,000 miles than the Pirelllis did at 1500 miles.