Upgrading from 2015 to 2016 - thoughts?
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And just to add to the discussion about handling I'd note that Motor Trend said their V8S matched the times from the V-8 Audi R8 and Mercedes SLS.....not too bad. Car and Driver got a claimed .97g from the V8S in this long term test; 2014 Jaguar F-type V-8 S Roadster Long-Term Wrap ? Review ? Car and Driver
On a separate note; I was pleased to see that C&D matched Motor Trend's 3.6 sec 0-60 and while they didn't quite duplicate the quarter mile time, they got pretty close (11.9 @ 121 vs. 11.6 @ 122).
Jaguar may not have intended the F type to be a track car, but the performance is certainly nothing to be embarrassed about.
Cheers,
Dave
On a separate note; I was pleased to see that C&D matched Motor Trend's 3.6 sec 0-60 and while they didn't quite duplicate the quarter mile time, they got pretty close (11.9 @ 121 vs. 11.6 @ 122).
Jaguar may not have intended the F type to be a track car, but the performance is certainly nothing to be embarrassed about.
Cheers,
Dave
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http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/laguna-seca-post-1988
V8S clocked a little over 1 sec. faster than the R at Laguna Seca. Both were driven by Randy Pobst.
V8S clocked a little over 1 sec. faster than the R at Laguna Seca. Both were driven by Randy Pobst.
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Yeah....I'm not bashing the R or the AWD and there are certainly some benefits, particularly if you're going to drive the car daily in varying conditions but I wanted the RWD over the AWD and here, that meant a V8S. Performance wise, the V8S runs a 510ps tune to the R's 550ps tune (503hp vs. 542hp) and the weight of the AWD system costs another 25hp comparatively speaking in the quarter and that's before taking into account the inevitable increase in driveline losses with AWD.....lets just say I'm not surprised that a V8S RWD and a V8R AWD are very close in performance.
...and though I don't plan on racing my car I didn't want the extra weight, complexity or expense of AWD for what is (for me) a summer fun car.
Dave
...and though I don't plan on racing my car I didn't want the extra weight, complexity or expense of AWD for what is (for me) a summer fun car.
Dave
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Cheers,
Dave
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Thanks for the feedback guys.
I went and did a test drive of a 2014 911 Turbo S today and I was totally smitten. The car is just phenomenal. It's not just the 2.6s 0-60 which is insane, but the handling which is so striking. I drove the same roads back to back in the 2014 Turbo S and then in my 2015 R Coupe. On the twisty roads, corners which I could do at 55 in my R Coupe, I could do at 75-80 in the Turbo S. I am sure much of that is down to weight, but also the car was much flatter and much more stable which gave you a lot more confidence. The car also had carbon ceramic brakes and the braking power was astonishing.
I think this is the upgrade path. Now the question is what is the best way to sell the R Coupe.
I went and did a test drive of a 2014 911 Turbo S today and I was totally smitten. The car is just phenomenal. It's not just the 2.6s 0-60 which is insane, but the handling which is so striking. I drove the same roads back to back in the 2014 Turbo S and then in my 2015 R Coupe. On the twisty roads, corners which I could do at 55 in my R Coupe, I could do at 75-80 in the Turbo S. I am sure much of that is down to weight, but also the car was much flatter and much more stable which gave you a lot more confidence. The car also had carbon ceramic brakes and the braking power was astonishing.
I think this is the upgrade path. Now the question is what is the best way to sell the R Coupe.
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Originally Posted by Foosh
The Laguna Seca lap times above for the V8S and R were both RWD cars. I haven't seen an AWD lap time.
I do think the fact that the R was slower than the heavier and less powerful V8S cabrio is indicative of the fact that the 2015 R wasn't setup properly.
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Originally Posted by Unhingd
I believe the comparison was a '14 V8S cab vs '15 V8R coupe. I would like to see the comparison with a V8R cab. The verts have a CG advantage. and given how stiff the cab is, the stiffer coupe chassis doesn't compensate for it's higher CG.
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Thanks for the feedback guys.
I went and did a test drive of a 2014 911 Turbo S today and I was totally smitten. The car is just phenomenal. It's not just the 2.6s 0-60 which is insane, but the handling which is so striking. I drove the same roads back to back in the 2014 Turbo S and then in my 2015 R Coupe. On the twisty roads, corners which I could do at 55 in my R Coupe, I could do at 75-80 in the Turbo S. I am sure much of that is down to weight, but also the car was much flatter and much more stable which gave you a lot more confidence. The car also had carbon ceramic brakes and the braking power was astonishing.
I think this is the upgrade path. Now the question is what is the best way to sell the R Coupe.
I went and did a test drive of a 2014 911 Turbo S today and I was totally smitten. The car is just phenomenal. It's not just the 2.6s 0-60 which is insane, but the handling which is so striking. I drove the same roads back to back in the 2014 Turbo S and then in my 2015 R Coupe. On the twisty roads, corners which I could do at 55 in my R Coupe, I could do at 75-80 in the Turbo S. I am sure much of that is down to weight, but also the car was much flatter and much more stable which gave you a lot more confidence. The car also had carbon ceramic brakes and the braking power was astonishing.
I think this is the upgrade path. Now the question is what is the best way to sell the R Coupe.
:-)
Dave
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If I could get a RWD type R 'vert that would be my ultimate choice (for the slight power increase over the V8S), but here R = AWD which I don't want for reasons previously stated.
Dave
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You are forgetting that with the soft-top down and that glass roof on top, there could some significant difference in the placement of the CG, even if the weight is the same. I suspect the vert has less roll tendency than the coupe.
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Yes, that's exactly what it was. The lap time difference is essentially round-off error, and could easily have been reversed on different days. What I find most interesting is that the the V8S was giving away 55 HP (according to JLR). That is significant.
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The F-Type was designed as a coupe first. The C-X16. The production version debuted as a vert first.
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I could have sworn he said the coupe was designed first when I spoke to him at the world reveal in Playa Vista. Maybe it was just getting down to semantics of design vs engineering like you say. Either way, both are quite stiff and I've never seen any complaints of body roll from any review since launch, vert or coupe.
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I could have sworn he said the coupe was designed first when I spoke to him at the world reveal in Playa Vista. Maybe it was just getting down to semantics of design vs engineering like you say. Either way, both are quite stiff and I've never seen any complaints of body roll from any review since launch, vert or coupe.
Traditionally, it's done the other way around (hardtop first), which has almost always required extra engineering (e.g. chassis stiffening) to produce a convertible later. JLR decided to do this one differently and by engineering a very rigid convertible first, it made the coupe production very simple.
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Dave
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there are no chassis differences between the coupe and convertible.
Traditionally, it's done the other way around (hardtop first), which has almost always required extra engineering (e.g. chassis stiffening) to produce a convertible later. JLR decided to do this one differently and by engineering a very rigid convertible first, it made the coupe production very simple.
Traditionally, it's done the other way around (hardtop first), which has almost always required extra engineering (e.g. chassis stiffening) to produce a convertible later. JLR decided to do this one differently and by engineering a very rigid convertible first, it made the coupe production very simple.
Dave
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