I know I might not get a straightforward answer, but here goes

I'm thinking into getting to know the car (MY2009 XKR) a bit better and possibly do some repairs myself (should be therapeutic). I have already started by diagnosing and replacing a wheel sensor to clear an ABS/DSC fault. (gee it does feel good )

A good OBD tool is of course a must and am trying to decide between either a used VCM + IDS subscription (for the short times I need it) or the Autoenginuity + Jag Pack. I believe that the Autoenginuity module gives you most stuff that the VCM+IDS can BUT it will not do ECU flashes (unless through some SDK coding). Is this correct?

My plan is to use the OBD tool to periodically check for codes and hopefully be able to do repairs (I've already read the 4000 page workshop manual ). I would not exclude ECU replacements, hence the flashing requirement.

Any thoughts on this?

The only reliable place available on this rock is the dealer and I got somewhat miffed recently knowing that if your Jag is an import, they would charge you 30% more both on parts and labour, which I think is absolutely rubbish.


Cheers!

Andrew

 

Have a look in the General Tech section here for the thread called Cloned Dealer Scan Tool, the device you need is the JLR Mongoose

 

Thanks Cambo! Looks like the Mongoose can do the job. Checked the Drew website and it states:

Because of a recent and unexpected software change from Jaguar, independant repair shops in North America are now restricted to engine and transmission reprogramming only unless they buy a whole PC package from the JLR dealer equipment program.

Not too sure whether this applies to this side of the planet.

Will continue to look into the thread; it surely looks promising and the fact that it's Jaguar 'approved' makes that confidence a bit better.

Andrew

 

The Mongoose looks like a good deal. One thing which is not entirely clear to me is which IDS/SDD version I should get with it.

I have an MY2009 XKR (right hand drive - UK). Reading through IDS vs SDD functionality in other posts, it seems that these two packages deal with diagnostics in quite different ways. The SDD is more 'automatic', whereas the older IDS is a bit more 'maneouverable'. I'd like to ask:

1 there seems to be a version which includes both IDS and SDD. Can one choose which application (IDS or SDD) to invoke if I connect to my car or is this automatically selected by the programme itself once it's detects the VIN.

2 which is this version?

3 I would probably prefer the flexibility of the IDS; is there a 'recommended' version I should use on the MY2009 XKR?

Many thanks!

Andrew

 

Hello Andrew,

Consider re-reading the cloned dealer scan tool thread and asking your question there. Also, check Ebay for available options.
PM if you require additional information that may exceed the bounds of the forum.

best regards,

Bill

 

Thanks Bill for the direction! That thread does include a wealth of info, especially the IDS and SDD traing docs and manuals. Will go through them in detail, though it seems that with the 2009 XKR the v128 or v129 will do the job for me!

Thanks again, this is such a sunny place

 

Narrowing down to the Mongoose and SDD v131.01 which seems to be the latest version which can work offline. Mongoose seems to work from IDS v125 onwards. Been reading IDS and SDD manuals for the last few days now

 

EjjBee,
MongoosePro and V131 is recommended. Buy the real McCoy from Drew.
Dependable hardware reduces the problems establishing the system to software and operator. Consider downloading data files, etc directly from the cat, if still available.
Takes a long time but worth the effort.

best regards,
Bill

 

Thanks Bill. I will be going to the real thing; wouldn't want to mess things up. From what I can read, once you connect the SDD 131 to the MongoosePro (and car), the first thing the SDD does is to suck module data from the car, though I think this relates more to DTC rather than CCF files. You say this takes long; would you know how long? Is it critical to connect a battery charger to the car in fear of draining the battery?

Cheers!

 

Sooo ... received the MongoosePRO JLR from Drewtech US; got hold of SDD 131.01; installed SDD on an HP nx7010 with 1.2G processor, 2G RAM, 90G hard disk, WinXP SP2 + IE8; straightforward install; followed the instructions which came with the SDD - install v131.00, install Mongoose drivers, install SDD V131.01 upgrade; all well. Important to disconnect Internet access, both wired and wireless as SDD will ask for updates which you would not want to do as otherwise you'll need to do a fresh WinXP install and start from scratch. Anything more modern than V131.01 will require on-line authentication with JLR databases.

Plugged Mongoose in XKR; sucked codes out of it and saved in session for further playing around when offline from car. Seems pretty straightforward till now. Will need to go around a bit more the SDD manual to get some confidence of how this thing works. Car battery condition icon was 'yellow' so I suppose I need to be careful when using IDS/SDD.

Thanks for your help guys!

 

Hello Ejjbee,
SPX offers the Bosch 55A battery maintainer but check out the Iota DLS series, readily and affordably available on Ebay. Functionally the same. Also, it is not necessary to use a 55A unit. 45A (or less) will work fine depending on the initial battery condition and vehicle accessory loads. Note thathe 55A unit would likely trip your 15 or 20A -115V garage curcuit if ever fully loaded.
Earlier, I suggested that you download data files directly from diag delivery, but I see they are on V132 now.

Let us know how V131 works for you.

Best regards,

Bill

 

Thanks Bill, I'll have a look up Bosch and Iota battery mainteners you mention.

Things are going well with the SDD v131.01. It runs pretty smoothly. I've disabled the automatic SDD updates of course. However, I did download the XK config and calibration files, like you suggested Bill. I noticed I did have some of these on the installed SDD (located these to be in JLR\IDS\flash\ and JLR\IDS\flash\vbf directories. Full download for the whole Jaguar range was listed at some 15hours (downloading my life would probably be swifter), so decided to download only the XK ones for now. They're probably updates to the ones I have.

Now reading about how the car and SDD handles Car config files and found the attached quite interesting; I think I saw it somewhere else on this forum, but here goes attached anyways.

 

Apologies but can't upload the pdf ... keep getting some kind of upload error. Will try later.