700 HP
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700 HP
That is if I would use a 17% drivetrain loss, than I have achieved 705 HP!
I think however that I am not there yet, but am getting close and am able to do still more.
So the result of today’s dyno, was 585.4 rwhp and 699.9 nm
With 15% it would be 689 hp
And one interesting one, there was a stock Jaguar XKR-S 5.0, where the dyno operator added 10% losses to get to 550 hp. Then printed mine with these same losses which would result in 648 hp.
I do think however that my car has higher losses, as my torque converter doesn't lock up, but who cares at these figures ;-)
So all in all pretty promising results, and there is an easy gain by changing to a smaller pulley (this was now 2.7 and I have a 2.5 ready ;-)).
Attached the results.
Unfortunately one if my files is gone where I got the 524 rwhp my highest with my old setup. So an older 506 was used to have something to compare to what I had earlier with my 4.2 engine, and that was also with a 2.7 upper pulley, but only 506 measurement.
I think however that I am not there yet, but am getting close and am able to do still more.
So the result of today’s dyno, was 585.4 rwhp and 699.9 nm
With 15% it would be 689 hp
And one interesting one, there was a stock Jaguar XKR-S 5.0, where the dyno operator added 10% losses to get to 550 hp. Then printed mine with these same losses which would result in 648 hp.
I do think however that my car has higher losses, as my torque converter doesn't lock up, but who cares at these figures ;-)
So all in all pretty promising results, and there is an easy gain by changing to a smaller pulley (this was now 2.7 and I have a 2.5 ready ;-)).
Attached the results.
Unfortunately one if my files is gone where I got the 524 rwhp my highest with my old setup. So an older 506 was used to have something to compare to what I had earlier with my 4.2 engine, and that was also with a 2.7 upper pulley, but only 506 measurement.
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#5
Thanks!
I didn't know I was already this far and came to the dyno with low expectations, especially as I was/am unsure about the cam timings I use.
Even though the dyno readings where very good, I am still sure I should be able to squeeze out more but lack the knowledge to workout what the best next setting could be. It takes me about 3 hours to change the timing, so relatively fast, however with the after testing and setting it again to something else (without knowing what would be best), am a little hard pressed check more.
There isn't a lot of room to increase the overlap, this setting gives just enough vacuum for our low idle of 600 rpm.
So my main thought is to delay the intake more, but am very unsure about it.
Attached are my current timing settings, so if anyone has any ideas of what could be better timing settings that would be great to hear.
PS not sure if the .50 was accurate, as I only found an excel sheet with rough values, but it should be close.
I didn't know I was already this far and came to the dyno with low expectations, especially as I was/am unsure about the cam timings I use.
Even though the dyno readings where very good, I am still sure I should be able to squeeze out more but lack the knowledge to workout what the best next setting could be. It takes me about 3 hours to change the timing, so relatively fast, however with the after testing and setting it again to something else (without knowing what would be best), am a little hard pressed check more.
There isn't a lot of room to increase the overlap, this setting gives just enough vacuum for our low idle of 600 rpm.
So my main thought is to delay the intake more, but am very unsure about it.
Attached are my current timing settings, so if anyone has any ideas of what could be better timing settings that would be great to hear.
PS not sure if the .50 was accurate, as I only found an excel sheet with rough values, but it should be close.
Last edited by avos; 12-15-2015 at 11:08 PM. Reason: Added lift at .050
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Either way, last weekend a friend gave me his 997.2 Turbo PDK 100-200 7.5sec and please dont get me wrong, but i was disappointed from the performance.
I'm nearly done with the conception of my engine, so im now searching for results what is the capability of a XJR/XKR with this range of power.
Cause i wont spend more then 25000,-€ and run 100-200 over 7 sec
Best regards.
#9
I would definitely like to go to Germany next year, even my kids are asking me ;-)
You have ambitious plans, here are some figures:
https://www.facebook.com/notes/garaj...3619823359736/
You have ambitious plans, here are some figures:
https://www.facebook.com/notes/garaj...3619823359736/
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Today I did another run, but this time instead of the 2.7”, I went straight to the 2.5” pulley.
The results were really what I hoped for, this twin-screw is just a beast, it just pushes out more and more the fast your spin it.
It measured 632 rwhp this time, roughly what it also should have done when you just compare the added airflow with the smaller pulley.
And there is still room left, I guess with a 2.4” pulley I will be able to get to about 658 rwhp.
When compared to the XKR-S run, bumping that to 11% drivetrain loss, my engine would be pushing out 701 HP, and as my TC doesn’t lock up it will be probably more than 701, but am happy to accept about 700 ;-)
Am ecstatic about the results, and will enjoy it for a while, although I know there is still room for more ;-)
The results were really what I hoped for, this twin-screw is just a beast, it just pushes out more and more the fast your spin it.
It measured 632 rwhp this time, roughly what it also should have done when you just compare the added airflow with the smaller pulley.
And there is still room left, I guess with a 2.4” pulley I will be able to get to about 658 rwhp.
When compared to the XKR-S run, bumping that to 11% drivetrain loss, my engine would be pushing out 701 HP, and as my TC doesn’t lock up it will be probably more than 701, but am happy to accept about 700 ;-)
Am ecstatic about the results, and will enjoy it for a while, although I know there is still room for more ;-)
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#12
Belated Happy New Year everybody!
Very nice to see that it works like you want!
If you find enough time to visit Germany would be great!
I think your car should be able to beat 7 sec mark from 100-200
For example the Evolve F10 M5 does this task in 6.2 sec with about 682 HP and 850NM on the flywheel.
The M5 has a faster gearbox and i think the torque range is wider but the Jag is about 200kg lighter.
Like i said, if you like we could catch up and i will bring my Performance Box.
Best regards from Munich!
Maxi
Very nice to see that it works like you want!
If you find enough time to visit Germany would be great!
I think your car should be able to beat 7 sec mark from 100-200
For example the Evolve F10 M5 does this task in 6.2 sec with about 682 HP and 850NM on the flywheel.
The M5 has a faster gearbox and i think the torque range is wider but the Jag is about 200kg lighter.
Like i said, if you like we could catch up and i will bring my Performance Box.
Best regards from Munich!
Maxi
#14
Belated Happy New Year everybody!
Very nice to see that it works like you want!
If you find enough time to visit Germany would be great!
I think your car should be able to beat 7 sec mark from 100-200
For example the Evolve F10 M5 does this task in 6.2 sec with about 682 HP and 850NM on the flywheel.
The M5 has a faster gearbox and i think the torque range is wider but the Jag is about 200kg lighter.
Like i said, if you like we could catch up and i will bring my Performance Box.
Best regards from Munich!
Maxi
Very nice to see that it works like you want!
If you find enough time to visit Germany would be great!
I think your car should be able to beat 7 sec mark from 100-200
For example the Evolve F10 M5 does this task in 6.2 sec with about 682 HP and 850NM on the flywheel.
The M5 has a faster gearbox and i think the torque range is wider but the Jag is about 200kg lighter.
Like i said, if you like we could catch up and i will bring my Performance Box.
Best regards from Munich!
Maxi
Since the rpm range 4-6K matters when WOT at D, the torque curve can not be better than Andre has now. It's almost flat up to gear change.
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Indeed as XJR-99 says, it’s a flat line between 4000 and 6000 rpm of about 800nm, and possibly higher lower in the rpm range.
My car weighs about 1820 kg (full tank), its indeed damn fast, so I would need a dry (German) road to test the 100-200.
Coming back to cams, after checking some forced induction cams, (and leaving a little bit the miller cycle thought), the attached setting might be possible (although I may still have to decrease the overlap a tad), so may try that one soon, but would appreciate also any comments.
My car weighs about 1820 kg (full tank), its indeed damn fast, so I would need a dry (German) road to test the 100-200.
Coming back to cams, after checking some forced induction cams, (and leaving a little bit the miller cycle thought), the attached setting might be possible (although I may still have to decrease the overlap a tad), so may try that one soon, but would appreciate also any comments.
Last edited by avos; 01-13-2016 at 03:44 AM.
#17
#18
I am not so much looking for more power now, but more to optimize the setup as it is now. So with a better Cam setting I would reduce the supercharger speed yet maintaining the same power level.
Personally I am not interested in funny fuels, the maximum optimized street setup is what I am after.
Am wondering what could break since 2007 already, so far the weakest spot is the dif, but who knows time will tell.
Personally I am not interested in funny fuels, the maximum optimized street setup is what I am after.
Am wondering what could break since 2007 already, so far the weakest spot is the dif, but who knows time will tell.
Last edited by avos; 01-13-2016 at 05:50 AM.
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#20
Indeed as XJR-99 says, it’s a flat line between 4000 and 6000 rpm of about 800nm, and possibly higher lower in the rpm range.
My car weighs about 1820 kg (full tank), its indeed damn fast, so I would need a dry (German) road to test the 100-200.
Coming back to cams, after checking some forced induction cams, (and leaving a little bit the miller cycle thought), the attached setting might be possible (although I may still have to decrease the overlap a tad), so may try that one soon, but would appreciate also any comments.
My car weighs about 1820 kg (full tank), its indeed damn fast, so I would need a dry (German) road to test the 100-200.
Coming back to cams, after checking some forced induction cams, (and leaving a little bit the miller cycle thought), the attached setting might be possible (although I may still have to decrease the overlap a tad), so may try that one soon, but would appreciate also any comments.
To the cams, over the last weeks ive talked with serveral people and two of them seems pretty good at this area.
One of them was among others involved in the Peugeot Groupe B rallye programme.
The next time i would like to generate a vale lift curve and then we will have a look.
Or is there a already a exact vale lift curve Dia?
Best regards