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This is my first post. Hope I don't screw it up!
I have a very late Mk 2 that I am in the process of restoring. The car is weeks away from heading out for paint and I have a few open items to take care of before the car is painted.
My biggest issue is the chrome bead that sits on top of the door, just in front of the glass, on all four doors. Very late in the Mk2 production run, this bead was changed from a clip-on decorative bead to a screw-on bead assembly that also holds the rubber window squeegee/seal. It is a much more complex piece than the earlier cars and it appears to be the same as the 420 and (probably) the 240 and 340 models. The part numbers for the earlier and much more common style are BD17093,4,5,6 and the part numbers for the later style are BD25962,3,4,5.
- Does anyone know where I can find the later style pieces? I have the originals but the chrome is very bad and the RH-F piece is mangled. I have looked everywhere. Any place that claims to have them (SNG, XKs, Welsh, etc) actually substitutes the earlier parts. I would rather use the correct parts if I can find them but I am about to give up.
- Assuming that I cannot find the correct parts, does anyone know if there is any difference in the doors? Obviously the bead mounting holes will be different but wondering about the shape of the doors in that area.
- Also assuming that I cannot find the correct parts, does anyone have an extra door, without the chrome in place, that they would be willing to take some measurements from? I will probably have to drill the holes in the top of the door for the earlier trim but I don't know where, how many or how big the holes should be.
I can attach some pics if that would help.
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Those Chrome trims that hold the weather strip (moleskin) against the glass are no longer made & are rare as rocking horse you know what. Your best bet is to rechrome yours as I had to on my S Type & locate a few undamaged ones. They are location specific. You are going to have to find a replacement for your mangled one or find someone to repair it. People frequently damage them being careless taking frames out or glass out of doors. If you decide to go to the older style trim you are going to have to find a way to attach an external whisker strip on each opening/winding glass. Older Mk2's had a whisker strip inner & outer. Late Mk2's like yours, S Types & 420 had inner whisker strip & outer rubber moleskin/wiper.

Good luck! This was an Aussie selling a set but they are long gone.



Rubber wiper/moleskin:




EDIT: Potteries Jaguar in the UK found me a set. I selected the best 4 I had for chroming & the others were eagerly snapped up by other S Type owners.

http://www.potteriesjaguarspares.com/
 

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I think the S-type and the 420 had the later trims, (I actually bought new ones from a Jaguar main agent in the 80s). Doors are the same for this part. They are made of brass, so can be replated, therefore try to find used ones off any of these models or the 240/340 that also had them.The later trims with the seal are far better at keeping water out of the doors, the old ones just let it pour in like Niagara Falls !
 
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Thanks so much for the input! You have convinced me to push on with the original pieces and have them re-chromed. The right-hand front piece is the one that is pretty bent up. If anyone has a lead......
It does look like a much better way of keeping the water out. My doors are in pretty solid shape but a couple of the brackets that the window frames bolts to (at the bottom) have pretty much rusted away, no doubt thanks to water that has gotten past the glass seals.
 
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I think the S-type and the 420 had the later trims, (I actually bought new ones from a Jaguar main agent in the 80s). Doors are the same for this part. They are made of brass, so can be replated, therefore try to find used ones off any of these models or the 240/340 that also had them.The later trims with the seal are far better at keeping water out of the doors, the old ones just let it pour in like Niagara Falls !
The S Type & 420 definitely had the later trims.

S Type/420 ~ 32, 33, 35, 36.


 

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I have a US 1967 Mk2 /340 and have the later screwed in place door trims as do you. I needed to replace the rubbers and had to try a couple of places to get the right ones. The first ones I tried simply would not fit at all since although they looked right they had poor dimensional accuracy.
The ones that worked for me were RT1058/24 from SNG Barratt.
Even then was still quite a business to slide the rubbers into the strip. Lots of lube and tugging needed with vise grips to pull the rubber.

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This is what I used from Barratts. Perfect fit & virtually identical to original removed. Also listed by David Manners.












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Pull into slot in chrome beading with lots of soapy water or any rubber safe lubricant. Some stretching will occur. Allow to shrink for a few days until final trimming to length of beading.

BTW ~ If ordering from Barratts quote P/N. Half their staff don't know they have it off the roll or at all.
 

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Thanks again to everyone for the input. I will be giving Barratt's a call. Can't wait to see the "what now" look on the plater's face. He was less than enthusiastic about the windshield chrome (but it turned out great).
 
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I bought mark 2 parts as a result of a garage clear out some time ago. I find that I have three of the late door to glass chrome/rubber strips. They need refurbishing but if you are interested they are available. I do not know which ones I have, but two are a little over 30 inches long, of opposite hand and the third is shorter at over 29 inches.
 
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Hello littlelic69,
I am definitely interested!! Thank you!! The longer (30 1/2 inch) pieces are for the front windows and it is my right-hand front that is very bent and dented. My other front is a little bent, also. I would be very interested in the front pair. How much are you asking and are you willing to ship to the States?
 
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I will enquire the price to ship to the States. I can then ship them and if you can use them, make me a donation!
 
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cdg66mk2, The cost of shipping the two trims with tracking and sign for, assuming a value of 100 would be 16. I do not know what they are worth, both will need a good polish and then chrome plating to get them in the best shape. Tell me what you think. I have also been through my other treasure stores and found three of the shorter(rear?) trims if you or anyone is interested. Alec G.
 
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Hi Littlelic69. I sent you private message to take this off line. Not sure how that works but hopefully you can see it. Thanks
 
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I have replied to your message. Send me a shipping destination. Alec Gurney.
 
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Originally Posted by Glyn M Ruck View Post
This is what I used from Barratts. Perfect fit & virtually identical to original removed. Also listed by David Manners.












Cross section.




Pull into slot in chrome beading with lots of soapy water or any rubber safe lubricant. Some stretching will occur. Allow to shrink for a few days until final trimming to length of beading.

BTW ~ If ordering from Barratts quote P/N. Half their staff don't know they have it off the roll or at all.
It can be bought by length?
 
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Sold by the metre.
 
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Sold by the metre.
The ones I bought are just rubber, no moleskin. Not easy to get in. I had to pull with pliers which I did not like much. Very easy to damage. Besides it is easy to get crimping marks. I let it settle a few days and then we see. Any suggestions?
 
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Where did you get yours from? That profile I show is a snip of the actual material Barratts supplied me. As others have said if the profile is wrong it's a real battle to get the tongue into the slot in the beading.


We just slowly worked it into the slot patiently by hand. Soapy water, Vaseline or rubber grease will help. It's never going to be an easy job.

 
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I got the complete rubber kit from Sng but it is no longer available today. As I said the ones I got they are made of rubber only. Yesterday I tried to slide one in using some silicone spray and it was quite hard to. Somehow I managed but pulling it with a set of pliers I damaged it and the marks are still visible. Then today I tried to slide one using plenty of silicone grease. What I did was to hold the chrome bit in a vice by the flat part and while pulling one end to slide through with a pliers, I stretched the strip so that it narrowed and it got through nicely. But I do not think it would work if it were not just rubber. As you said though, they supply by length and it has got the moleskin. Ordered some length already. Will see.
 
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Just a word of warning. Keep silicone sprays etc well away from the induction systems of modern vehicles. If they ingest even a small amount it will poison some MAFs & all Lambda/O2 sensors. I don't feel like replacing the MAF & 4 X O2 sensors on my Benz.
 
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