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I like the steering wheel. I am going to have to look into how I can get my old Bakerlite horn push on to my wooden steering wheel. Any suggestions as to how this could be done?
Cass you contact him and tell him you want a Derrington but you don't need the plastic growler emblem or black spokes cover.
There is another company in the UK that makes the Derrington. Myrtle I think is the name. Expensive.
The Derrington is an E type style wood wheel with solid spokes using the horn push, cover, and emblem of the standard wheels of the period. They were optional equipment for the MK-2.
Rob ~ Moto Lita make Derringtons. Give them a call. They might supply mounting hardware for the horn rim/bakerlite cover. Looks as though they do. All you really need to do is drill 4 holes in the side spokes of your existing woodrim wheel if the spoke spacing is correct and you have a flat (non dished) wheel & all the horn push gubbins. Derringtons have a different hub size. I hope the 4 hole spacing does not foul your existing mount.
I agree with the condition of the Mk2 Glyn someone got a bit carried away with auction fever I would think.
Thanks for the photos I will have a look at my steering wheel and see if I can do as they have. My only concern is getting the horn bar to work but until I start fiddling I will not know if it is easily done or not. I looked on the Derrington site and the boss required is a B33c which costs a staggering £123 (does not include the horn bar or bakerlite bar) and surprise there is not a picture of it.
I just like the concept of the old with the new.
I think the sunroof was the major selling point. Welded head, no upgrades and it looked to me that there was spatter on the engine from an over heating incident.
Nice looking car...
Few things that I would change though, the tires are too wide and so is the white wall, they're way to close to the fender skirt.
The wood needs to be cut and flattened with a 2500 grit and polished, there is major spray rippling which is especially noticeable on the glove box.
A very attractive car -definite eye candy... but yes, the wood on the glovebox needs some attention and there are several other things wrong in a minor way: first, the red jewels on the running light pods are fitted the wrong way round (fact, not opinion), the whitewall width is sutable for a 1963 car but for 1966 the whitewalls were much narrower bands (and for the record, every Jaguar built for Canada and the US came with whitewall tires right up to 1982)...the elastic of the front door pockets is stretched...and what is that thing behind the coil?...and the transmission in the 1966 cars was the BW250, not the Model 12, unless this one has been changed...nit-picking? Sure, but this car was entered in JCNA concours events and reportedly got a couple of perfect scores ...enough of the negatives. It is still beautiful (and this sale makes my 1966 car worth more!).
"and what is that thing behind the coil?" ~ It looks like a ceramic wire wound resistor that some use for radio suppression of the ignition circuit. I'm more au fait with the Capacitor route on the LT circuit. Otherwise who knows???
Yes, I’ve seen those red jewels fitted the wrong way like that. Their purpose is to send light back to the drivers eye so they can locate the front corners of the car easier. They don’t work well when fitted backwards.
"and what is that thing behind the coil?" ~ It looks like a ceramic wire wound resistor that some use for radio suppression of the ignition circuit. I'm more au fait with the Capacitor route on the LT circuit. Otherwise who knows???
It has nothing to do with keeping the radio quiet, it's used when a 1.5 ohm coil is fitted.
It heats up to cut down on current flow to the coil at idle.
On a 1.5 ohm coil, more current flows through the points on the primary windings simply because the points are staying closed longer, and the resistor naturally heats up when there is more current flow, the hot resistor then cuts back on the current.
Being only 1.5 ohms, the coil would over heat and that's what the resistor is for.
It looks like a Mallory coil, so I'm guessing that an electronic ignition has been fitted, so that ignition probably requires that set up, rather then the standard 3 ohm coil and no ballast resistor.
The long and short of it is that this car, while pretty, is not a 100 point JCNA car (Credibility factor: I am and have been JCNA judge and Chief Judge for decades) and the price obtained is almost beyond belief. Using concours scores as a selling tool is now prohibited by JCNA (Jaguar Clubs of North America) because it can be misleading. This car is a good example of that.
Did anyone else notice that in one of the photos it clearly shows that one of the exhaust back boxes has a rust hole in it which would surly be blowing. Yet In the 1994 Concourse paperwork it states it was fitted with a stainless steel exhaust system?
As someone else pointed out how can this be concourse? Different gearbox, rack and pinion steering fitted and oh so many faults. Fantastic paint work and interior but when they took photos of the engine you would have thought they would clean up the water stains on the air filter housing and cam covers which has clearly been deposited there by a hot radiator cap being removed. I would also question whether I would want to buy a car with welding done to the head as clearly shown in one of the receipts 09/01/92? The original fire wall was removed and a new one welded in to accommodate the refurbished model 12 gearbox 20/04/92.The original colour was silver blue with dark blue interior.
What is the difference between the definition of Concours against Original?
Wiki describes it as
Concours d'Elegance competitions also are run for classic cars. Here, the emphasis is as much on originality as the condition, although this also is very important. The general aim is to present a vehicle that is in the same, or better, condition than it was in when it left the production line. Unless original, modifications are not allowed, and components must be suitable for the year and model of the automobile. Even components or features fitted to automobiles of the same type, but in a different production year or trim level, are not allowed.
lots of misrepresentations go on during those auctions.
many buyers who sell and bid at auctions don't know much about classic cars, so they get taken by auctioneers whose only interest is commissions and fees.
Sellers dream of fantastic bids. Such was the case with a Mr. Autry, whom I approached with a fair offer for an antique MG.
He said he could get a lot more in an upcoming auction. I told him I doubted it and backed off. He was blinded by the auctioneer's hoopla and was convinced to place the car without a Reserve!
the highest bid was $1,500.00 LESS than my offer, LESS the auctioneer's commission and other fees. He had to sell it, the car had no reserve.
and now THIS. A car supposedly represented as "Concours" which is in no better shape than "Driver" condition.
It has nothing to do with keeping the radio quiet, it's used when a 1.5 ohm coil is fitted.
It heats up to cut down on current flow to the coil at idle.
On a 1.5 ohm coil, more current flows through the points on the primary windings simply because the points are staying closed longer, and the resistor naturally heats up when there is more current flow, the hot resistor then cuts back on the current.
Being only 1.5 ohms, the coil would over heat and that's what the resistor is for.
It looks like a Mallory coil, so I'm guessing that an electronic ignition has been fitted, so that ignition probably requires that set up, rather then the standard 3 ohm coil and no ballast resistor.
Thanks. That makes sense! Vishay also make resistors for suppression. Obviates need for resistor rotor or plug caps etc.
Last edited by Glyn M Ruck; Aug 3, 2020 at 09:13 AM.
lots of misrepresentations go on during those auctions.
many buyers who sell and bid at auctions don't know much about classic cars, so they get taken by auctioneers whose only interest is commissions and fees.
Sellers dream of fantastic bids. Such was the case with a Mr. Autry, whom I approached with a fair offer for an antique MG.
He said he could get a lot more in an upcoming auction. I told him I doubted it and backed off. He was blinded by the auctioneer's hoopla and was convinced to place the car without a Reserve!
the highest bid was $1,500.00 LESS than my offer, LESS the auctioneer's commission and other fees. He had to sell it, the car had no reserve.
and now THIS. A car supposedly represented as "Concours" which is in no better shape than "Driver" condition.
Gregory, your MK-2 might now be worth $75k.
Several years ago, in Seattle, I judged a Pale Primrose Mk 2 recently restored. I was particularly interested in that car for the obvious reason that my own is in the same colour and I had never seen seen another except in photos. The car had been judged elsewhere, I believe, with a very high score. My assessment: first, the car sat with an immediately obvious incorrect stance, the rear end riding far too high. This is typically caused by new suspension parts being fitted and bolts being tightened without letting the car "settle" with weight being put in the trunk. An incorrect stance results in point deductions...it went on from there. Interior door handles fitted in the wrong position (more common in poor restorations than you might think), the red jewels on the running lights fitted wrong way round, and a number of other and unnecessary mistakes . After the judging was done and paperwork submitted, I spoke to the owner. Because the purpose of concours judging is NOT to criticise but to help the owner maintain his/her Jaguar to the highest, most authentic level, it is my practice to point out (encouragingly) what I have found so that the owner may correct the faults - and the owners are invariably grateful for this infomation. But in this particular case the owner was entirely uninterested. I found that both odd and sad.
1965/66 style whitewalls and the red jewels fitted correctly:
Correct handle fitting:
The coil without the "add-on thingy". The compressor is the original York unit installed in 1966 by the selling Jaguar dealer (Motor Sales of Winnipeg).
MK2 goes for $63K!
