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MK2 remote brake booster "cover"

Old Mar 27, 2022 | 05:37 PM
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I would appreciate photos of the "cover" which the remote brake booster is mounted. This cover protrudes into the well well and is adjacent the crossbeam where the suspension arms attach. I am modifying mine in order to fit a twin circuit 420 (and series 3 e type) brake booster as part of a brake upgrade. I need to determine if there is sufficient clearance. Thanks.
 
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Old Mar 27, 2022 | 05:52 PM
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I was going to say that does not look like an OE booster.
















 

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Old Mar 28, 2022 | 12:42 AM
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Glyn, Have you fitted AC to your car? I noticed the AC hose and crimps in the photos above, I'd be interested in details of what you did for an evaporator and interior air ducting if you can share.
 
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Old Mar 28, 2022 | 04:19 AM
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No ~ I've not fitted A/C to my car. This is credit Lin ~ Valvechatter. I always credit if I know from my archive, but forgot to above..
 

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Old Mar 30, 2022 | 03:33 AM
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BTW> ~ You are aware that the 420 does not really have dual circuit brakes. It's only dual circuit from the booster. It remains single circuit from the master cylinder to the booster which somewhat defeats the object as the master cylinder is usually first to fail.
 
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Old Mar 31, 2022 | 08:04 AM
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Default twin / single circuit brakes

I am aware the master cylinder has one circuit white the servo two circuits with a single fluid reservoir.
 
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Default brake booster suspension crossmember clearance

I am interested in seeing a photograph of the clearance between the brake servo "cover" and the front crossmember sispension. Thanks.
 
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Old Apr 4, 2022 | 03:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Glyn M Ruck
BTW> ~ You are aware that the 420 does not really have dual circuit brakes. It's only dual circuit from the booster. It remains single circuit from the master cylinder to the booster which somewhat defeats the object as the master cylinder is usually first to fail.
This was something that concerned me too Glyn. I resolved by using a more modern X308 master/servo unit. Not sure where I'm going to put the wiper motor yet though!


 
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Old Apr 4, 2022 | 07:57 AM
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I don't recall how it works, but doesn't the 420 have a fallback for loss of fluid in the circuit between the master cylinder and the brake booster. There's some sort of air valves on the end of the master cylinder that are operated when the master piston goes to the end of its travel. These cause the booster to apply pressure in the lines to the brakes. I'm uncertain as to how sensitive this system is. If it locks the brakes solid it might be almost as dangerous as no brakes.
 
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Old Apr 4, 2022 | 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Voucher Boy
This was something that concerned me too Glyn. I resolved by using a more modern X308 master/servo unit. Not sure where I'm going to put the wiper motor yet though!

That's neat, The 420 is not a good system with it's single Master cylinder & Double booster arrangement. Not a decent system. I wonder who dreampt that up.





 
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Old Apr 4, 2022 | 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Glyn M Ruck
That's neat, The 420 is not a good system with it's single Master cylinder & Double booster arrangement. Not a decent system. I wonder who dreampt that up.
It's almost identical to the Series 1 4.2 E Type braking system, so they probably transplanted it.
 
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Old Apr 5, 2022 | 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Voucher Boy
This was something that concerned me too Glyn. I resolved by using a more modern X308 master/servo unit. Not sure where I'm going to put the wiper motor yet though!
Underdash wiper kits used to be available for these cars. I wonder if they are still available. This car had one fitted. I now regret not taking a pic of the underdash mehanism although it would have been difficult. ~ I used this car as a reference of an SA built car for many items ~ now sold unfortunatally.






 

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Old Apr 5, 2022 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by rdssdi
I am interested in seeing a photograph of the clearance between the brake servo "cover" and the front crossmember sispension. Thanks.




The front pivot of the top wishbone is the closest part of the suspension to the cover over the servo.

Apologies for the dirt, rust and cobwebs.
 
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Old Apr 6, 2022 | 07:27 AM
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I appreciate your photographs. It appears I will not have clearance issues with my modifications to date but leaves little room to extend rearward. I agree with the earlier appraisal of the 420 / e type brake system I am using. Added complexity without true dual circuit safety. I had a 1970 Rover 3500S (NADA) which had a similar system. I lost the brakes in that car. I will consider returning to the single circuit booster with the simpler master cylinder. Both have the same lack of dual circuit and offer similar failure risks. I wonder why I get into these projects. Thanks to all who replied.
 
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Old Apr 7, 2022 | 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Jagboi64
It's almost identical to the Series 1 4.2 E Type braking system, so they probably transplanted it.
Remember that most E Types have 2 single master cylinders that operate in tandem rather than a dual master cylinder.
 
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Old Apr 7, 2022 | 05:23 PM
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The 3.8's do, the 4.2 is a single master.
 
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Old Apr 8, 2022 | 05:04 AM
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Interesting ~ Thanks for that. We live & learn. The only Jag I know down to every screw is the S Type Manual OD. The rest is from prolific reading and helping friends on their specific model.
 

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Old Apr 8, 2022 | 07:44 AM
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... and the series 3 V12 E, at least the DHC, also had the 420 system, I think. That should keep it in production, but also inflate the price.
 
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