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Old Apr 12, 2024 | 04:31 PM
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I have a 2005 Jaguar X-type 3.0 with approx. 230000 KM. I had a gearbox fault warning come on and the car remained driveable. The warning comes because unbeknownst to me Jaguar has a policy of discontinuing replacement parts for older jaguars. No warnings given apparently just declare the parts obsolete and the hell with the owners. Up to now my car had minor problems that although a nuisance, were things one expects, but to find my car and its part are now obsolete with no warning, a shock. Why would anyone in their right mind buy any Jaguar product when without warning your vehicle is declared obsolete - so sorry! One day and my car goes from having some value ( current similar advertised cars at $5000 cdn to $7000 cdn) to basically junk value. BEWARE of JAGUARS
 
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Old Apr 12, 2024 | 05:32 PM
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Welcome to the forums tangofiend,

Have you just registered to vent or do you intend to participate further?

If the latter, follow this link https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/x-type-x400-14/ to the X-Type forum for help, advice and information. The 'HOW TO' thread at the top is a good place to start for information on regular issues. You can also use the Canada Region forum by following this link https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/canada-73/ to find other members in your region.

Please read the guidance for new members ( https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/n...ned-up-241802/ ) which answers many of the most frequent questions about getting started.

Enjoy the forums.

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Old Apr 12, 2024 | 06:22 PM
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Welcome to Jaguar Forums tangofiend,

Good to have you with us.
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Old Apr 12, 2024 | 06:49 PM
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Hi Tangofiend,

Welcome to the Jaguar Forums!

I don't know what brands of automobiles you have previously owned, but in the U.S., it is common for all automakers to discontinue parts for vehicles more than 10 years old, especially parts for vehicles produced in limited numbers. I work on all brands sold in the U.S., and this is as true for Chrysler, Ford, Honda and Toyota as it is for Jaguar. Automakers and their Original Equipment Manufacturers cannot justify continued production of parts that are now sold in relatively small numbers each year.

For vehicles that sold in large numbers, aftermarket manufacturers will generally recognize the opportunity and produce parts to fill the market void when an automaker discontinues a common part. To some extent, this is also true for Jaguar, though not to the same degree as for mass-market brands like Ford and Honda. But in general, it is uncommon that we can't find either a new OEM or aftermarket part or a good salvaged part to keep our Jaguars on the road.

You don't mention your specific need, but if you will start a new thread in the X-Type forum describing your situation, you may receive some helpful input from our knowledgeable members.

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Old Apr 12, 2024 | 07:03 PM
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I just found out about the tranny today. Now I am searching for a solution and the Jaguar people don't seem to be interested in helping. Now checking transmission shops. Also trying to find out if the Ford transmissions are similar. Don't want to scrap it if I can help it. I own a 1984 Ford E150 camperized Van and no problem with getting parts for that beast. I had my Jag alternator fail in Seattle a few years back. Emergency replacement cost me $1250 USD so I knew costs might be an issue, but not availability.
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Old Apr 12, 2024 | 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by tangofiend
I just found out about the tranny today. Now I am searching for a solution and the Jaguar people don't seem to be interested in helping. Now checking transmission shops. Also trying to find out if the Ford transmissions are similar.
Assuming your car has an automatic transmission, it was probably made by Jatco, a spin-off of Nissan. As I suggested, if you will start a new thread in the X-Type (X400) forum, our members may be able to help. Please provide as much detail as you can, including all Diagnostic Trouble Codes stored in the vehicle's various modules and all the symptoms of misbehavior.

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Old Apr 12, 2024 | 09:11 PM
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Old Apr 12, 2024 | 10:36 PM
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Well, I know that for my 1985 Toyota Supra, I bought the very last hood insulation blanket in existence in 1998 which was about 12 years after production ended and it was quickly downhill from there. I'm sure there were other parts that were already out of stock, just that was the first one that I ran into. I knew that I would keep the car forever and need to restore it someday so I started my own sort of "part of the month" club. Any time I ordered something from Toyota that I really needed like an alternator, I would add on a few pieces of trim or weatherstrip or an electrical switch - the kind of stuff that usually runs out of stock first - just to keep for spares. Then I had a minor accident in 2002. An aftermarket supplier was reproducing the bumper covers in TPO for Toyota, but the new ones didn't fit worth crap so I returned it for credit and wound up buying a whole "parts car" to get an original urethane bumper cover. I needed one taillight too and that one had a hairline crack in it so I had to keep searching for taillights. Bought a few online, but one arrived with shipping damage and another again had hairline cracks. The third try was the charm. Here in Texas my dash pad had warped even just in a hot garage so I started looking for a new dash pad. I wish that I had bought one in the 90s while they were still available new, but at nearly $1,000 at that time, too pricey for my "part of the month" club purchases. I wound up paying more anyway because it took me ten years and three tries to get a good dash pad. Nearly every time a black dash pad would be posted online, someone would respond before me or hit the "buy it now" button within mere seconds of it being posted. When I was successful, it would either arrive with shipping damage or I would discover hairline cracks already starting to form. Again, the third was the charm. Dash pads are what we call "holy grail" parts. Mechanical parts are usually a lot easier to source, but plastic, rubber and vinyl "trim" are the first to disappear followed by "crash parts".

After experiencing so much trouble getting parts, I went kinda mental and started buying every decent wrecked Supra that I could reasonably trailer home in a weekend to save them from the salvage yards which notoriously would sell only enough parts to make a decent margin and then quickly crush the rest to make room for a more profitable wreck. I would sell the parts online or use the parts to rebuild another. After about 2006, worthwhile wrecks were getting fewer and farther between. I was even turning down "free" Supras because they were all just too rusty or too crispy. Then I stumbled onto a motherload, an innocuous ad on a forum like this one that listed only a handful of NOS and used blue interior parts. I contacted the seller who sent me an Excel spreadsheet and printed out pages and pages of mostly NOS Supra parts. A woman's husband had like me, had his own "part of the month" club for over a decade (I thought the idea was uniquely mine, but no) and purchased nearly enough parts to restore two Supras, but health problems got in the way of ever even starting on the projects. She would sell the whole lot for $5,000, a tiny fraction of retail. It was a stretch but I scraped it up.

I wound up rebuilding and selling three Supras and parted out nine more. A couple of years ago, I went through the inventory (which the overflow had expanded to a nearby self-storage unit at $79/month and was now bleeding money), kept the best one of everything, and in a brief relapse of mental health, sold off the remainder in one big lot to a friend who had more storage capacity than I do. He plans to sell it all off one at a time after he retires. Not long ago, another guy I know who was doing the same thing passed away leaving his son to liquidate an 18-wheeler trailer load of Supra parts. And a very good friend of mine in the Corvette world used to enjoy scouring swap meets for original date-coded Corvette parts. People would bring boxes and boxes of old Chevy parts with no idea what they had and Scott knew how to recognize just about everything that fit a C3 Corvette. He found for my brother a set of 1972-only T-3 headlight bulbs that actually work (if you like driving at night while holding two lit matches out in front of your car, but they were worth 15 points in judging). He passed away unexpectedly and my brother and I helped his daughter find a buyer for his inventory and get a fair price.

I guess the moral to the stories are that not to despair. Granted, it may not make sense to rely on your X-type as your sole daily driver anymore when it can't be repaired very quickly, but it doesn't mean you can't still enjoy it as a classic car or as one amongst a fleet. (Cars are like potato chips, you can't have just one). There are a few mental cases out there who try to save odd-ball cars like myself, my friends Maurice, Dave and Scott and the poor guy whose wife got power of attorney. Parts are still out there. Heck, I recently found an NOS power steering pump for my old Lotus using shoe-leather and old-fashioned land-line phone work. I'm sure there are some passionate gearheads hoarding parts for X-types too. Just takes some fortitude and patience to find them.
 

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Old Apr 13, 2024 | 03:31 AM
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Welcome to the Forums.

Don has nailed it.
I still find parts for my 1963 MK X, takes some doing, but "jaguar" as such is NOT on the shopping list.

Jatco trans if its Auto, and any Trans Outfit should/could sort it.
 
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Old Apr 13, 2024 | 05:03 AM
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As others have pointed out, just because it says Jaguar on the vehicle doesn't mean that's the only source for parts.

In the 1950's to 70's, Jaguar had their own wood and trim shops - they made their own veneered parts and leather seats etc. This ended in the 1980's and Jaguar became a vehicle designer and assembler - the parts were all "bought in". In recent years with the introduction of the aluminium bodied models, Jaguar now manufacture their own body parts and also have their own engine plant. Jaguar have never manufactured their own transmissions and all electrical components are outsourced.

Two questions you need to consider when sourcing parts:
1. who made it?
2. who stocks it?

Frequently the identical part can be obtained from an aftermarket specialist at considerably lower cost. For complex work such as engine or transmission overhaul, an independent specialist is the place to go for anyone not into DiY.

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Old Apr 13, 2024 | 06:46 AM
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Old Apr 13, 2024 | 08:29 AM
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Hello,
I do understand your anger, disappointment and feelings of betrayal, but most dealerships are forced to draw a line somewhere and say "That's It! No More Old Parts!" I saw the parts room of a working dealership once and was Astonished at what they carried, just for the previous 5 or 6 years!

As others more knowledgeable than I am have suggested. ask your specific question in our X-type section for authoritative advice. Your Jag still has a Lot of miles in it, merely not serviced by that dealer.

There's Always a good independent behind a shed somewhere down a back alley who would be delighted to fix your Jag. S/he would regale the neighborhood with stories of that Really Neat Old Jag that came in today.

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Old Apr 16, 2024 | 02:00 PM
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I have a 2005 Jaguar X-type 3.0 with approx. 230000 KM. I had a gearbox fault warning come on and the car remained driveable. The warning comes because unbeknownst to me Jaguar has a policy of discontinuing replacement parts for older jaguars. No warnings given apparently just declare the parts obsolete and the hell with the owners. Up to now my car had minor problems that although a nuisance, were things one expects, but to find my car and its part are now obsolete with no warning, a shock. Why would anyone in their right mind buy any Jaguar product when without warning your vehicle is declared obsolete - so sorry! One day and my car goes from having some value ( current similar advertised cars at $5000 cdn to $7000 cdn) to basically junk value. BEWARE of JAGUARS
Have you tried the aftermarket? I use Rockauto.com for most of my needs or if they don't have anything suitable there is a US nationwide association of 'recycled' parts at CarPart.com. They only show what they have in stock, the location of the part (local recycling yard), the condition, the price and estimated shipping costs. I know there are 'exotic' car parts recycling yards in California as I have used them in the past.

RockAuto.com lists "in stock' alternator for your 2005 S-Type 3.0 for between $50 and $200 plus shipping costs. Give them a try.

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