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Old Aug 16, 2013 | 12:31 PM
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Hello all,

Had a small front end collision a few weeks back - just a broken number plate and bumper paint scuff.

The interesting thing is i've noticed on pressing the "A/C button" - clutch no longer engages with audible "click".

Is there a common reason for compressor to "give up". I'm almost certain the accident was the cause.

Could this small impact have damaged a sensor - wiring?
I know the ambient temp sensor is within impact zone.

Been under the vehicle and compressor turning smoothly by hand.

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Old Aug 16, 2013 | 12:35 PM
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Sorry,

I should also note that it's like driving in a mobile sauna!
 
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Old Aug 16, 2013 | 12:46 PM
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Do you have power to the A/C compressor? It might be a compressor problem or a power problem.
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Old Aug 16, 2013 | 01:03 PM
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tbird,

How would i test for power supply?
 
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Old Aug 16, 2013 | 01:21 PM
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Are you sure you didn't damage the condenser? Its right in front and fairly fragile. If it got damaged and leaked all your freon out, the compressor won't turn on.
 
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Old Aug 16, 2013 | 02:42 PM
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Hi,

If no freon, would we still hear the clutch engage "click"...

I did remove grill and had a good look at that area and underneath but i'm guessing the naked eye wouldn't detect a leaking condenser? If there are residues, would there be a colour i'm looking for?
 
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Old Aug 16, 2013 | 02:51 PM
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No click if no R134a. The HiLo pressure switch would be signalling not to engage the compressor (which would suffer damage).
 
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Old Aug 16, 2013 | 03:10 PM
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Thanks for that info!

So there's no point performing electrical test if inhibited by Hi/Lo?

Also can the condenser be repaired or is it a replacement job - DIY or Jaguar People?

Thanks,
 
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Old Aug 16, 2013 | 06:29 PM
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Typically, if there is dye in the system, it is normally fluorescent green/yellow to make a leak easier to spot or just oily residual around where a leak may be. You can replace the condenser, but you would also want to replace the receiver/dryer at the same time and then have it evacuated and recharged. I would be sure before throwing parts at it.
 
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Old Aug 17, 2013 | 12:39 AM
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Could just as easily be a leak at a joint. Don't guess, get an a/c guy to diagnose it using UV dye etc. Will also pull a vacuum to check it holds. If OK, have it filled up.
 
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Took this photo yesterday. There's a bracket or 90 deg fastener on the passenger side (looking towards windscreen) which appears to be coated with an oily residue and has a greenish tinge.

Suspect...?
 
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Old Aug 17, 2013 | 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Leonard_85
Took this photo yesterday. There's a bracket or 90 deg fastener on the passenger side (looking towards windscreen) which appears to be coated with an oily residue and has a greenish tinge.

Suspect...?
Most likely; there's nothing else in that area that will leak anything oily. I'm assuming that bracket holds the condenser? The condenser probably got pushed into it and leaked from there. If you aren't 100% sure, I'd stop by a shop and get another opinion as its hard to be certain from a picture.
 
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Old Aug 19, 2013 | 12:19 PM
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Yes it's on the upper right hand corner of the condenser...i'm guessing the crack only needs to be a gnat's whisker?

This all came to light after having the system re-gassed in an attempt to remove the desert-breeze through the cabin.

I don't understand how the mechanic failed to detect the leak as he re-charged the system...i'm assuming there's a simple answer to that involving the word shoddy?

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Old Aug 19, 2013 | 01:01 PM
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Normally they first (attempt to) pull a vacuum and if it won't hold go looking for the leak.

They're supposed to hold the vacuum for quite a while as it helps moisture come out of the dryer thus prolonging its life.
 
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Old Aug 19, 2013 | 02:01 PM
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The reason he did not find it is just the normal time limits a commercial garage has. From the looks of your picture I think you have a very small leak. If you just evacuated and charged the system in 30 minutes you probably would have a working A/C system... for a while.

Have them check that area with the Freon sniffer. They might find it.

No repairs to a condenser. Just replace it.

Did your A/C work after he recharged it?
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Old Aug 20, 2013 | 09:25 AM
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Well I noticed the compressor wasn't engaging a day or two after the garage visit as it began to take my focus. I'm not sure if the compressor worked on collection, if so for a short while.

The car went into garage early morning (not cooked by the sun)...it did feel cool but after sitting on drive, within 4-5 hours it was back to the sahara desert and that faint "hissing" sound from vent area which has completely gone now.


I was hoping to diagnose this all myself as the garages here are not to be trusted, one bad experience after another.
 
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Old Aug 20, 2013 | 11:42 AM
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Some ways to DIY diagnose:
get a set of a/c gauges - not too expensive - and check pressures
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get a Mongoose JLR and read the HiLo pressure switch (er, I think it can do it, but someone might chime in and confirm)
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figure where the HiLo wiring goes and use a meter to see what it's saying
 
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Old May 4, 2014 | 05:45 AM
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OK guys,

Finally got round to replacing the damaged condenser. The image above did turn out to be a leak.

My question is replacing the old and deformed condenser O-Rings...

I'm assuming the unit (american made) uses imperial sizes. Our local Halfords offers an O-Ring kit with different sizes which we think are metric sizes.

Can anyone help in identifying the O-Ring size we need. There are 2 in total.

Thanks.
 
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