Any glutton for punishment? Another LS 2000 S-type Conversion
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Any glutton for punishment? Another LS 2000 S-type Conversion
2000 Jaguar s Type 6 0 LS Conversion | eBay
Look at what I found for sale on E-bay! The asking price is rediculous, but it appears someone else took on the challenge and has failed and is trying to bail out on the build. Doesn't look like it is finished.
I may have been the first to start an LS conversion, but at least I am not alone. Third real LSX conversion I've seen.
Look at what I found for sale on E-bay! The asking price is rediculous, but it appears someone else took on the challenge and has failed and is trying to bail out on the build. Doesn't look like it is finished.
I may have been the first to start an LS conversion, but at least I am not alone. Third real LSX conversion I've seen.
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Response back from the E-bay poster.
Hello my name is Steve I am the Builder here .
I specialize in engine and transmission platforms one of which project is this Jaguar S Type that is having a 427 LS 550-600 horsepower streetable 4L60E transmission installed in it . ...The engine is a build I have designed for specific streetable power without being impractical or beyond everyday use.
The body is in superior style as most Jaguars are unfortunately the powertrains for are not as what the domestic V8 s hold .
This setup is going to utilize as much functions as the car does . .I am currently open to a deposit on the build as it's being assembled ..
If I can help further let me know .
Steve
Hello my name is Steve I am the Builder here .
I specialize in engine and transmission platforms one of which project is this Jaguar S Type that is having a 427 LS 550-600 horsepower streetable 4L60E transmission installed in it . ...The engine is a build I have designed for specific streetable power without being impractical or beyond everyday use.
The body is in superior style as most Jaguars are unfortunately the powertrains for are not as what the domestic V8 s hold .
This setup is going to utilize as much functions as the car does . .I am currently open to a deposit on the build as it's being assembled ..
If I can help further let me know .
Steve
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>Am I missing something here. I thought that the engines were manufactured by ford and is that not american company.
Technically the Chevrolet/GM "LS" engines are designated by LSX - LS1, LS2, LS3, LS7, LS9. There is sometimes a confusion between the Lincoln LS car that has the 3.9L version of the AJ-V8 series engine.
This engine conversion is either a LS1 or LS2 based Chevy engine, the seller doesn't state which one its is. The builder is going to have a heck of a hard sell if the car doesn't have full electrical functionality. The seller doesn't mention anything about improvements to the suspension / differential / drive shaft, or replacement of the control arm bushings. I wouldn't touch the car unless it was proven that all of the components were replaced. Just predicting future problems running 500+ HP with 16 year old suspension bushings.
Technically the Chevrolet/GM "LS" engines are designated by LSX - LS1, LS2, LS3, LS7, LS9. There is sometimes a confusion between the Lincoln LS car that has the 3.9L version of the AJ-V8 series engine.
This engine conversion is either a LS1 or LS2 based Chevy engine, the seller doesn't state which one its is. The builder is going to have a heck of a hard sell if the car doesn't have full electrical functionality. The seller doesn't mention anything about improvements to the suspension / differential / drive shaft, or replacement of the control arm bushings. I wouldn't touch the car unless it was proven that all of the components were replaced. Just predicting future problems running 500+ HP with 16 year old suspension bushings.
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At the risk of drawing the ire of some members of this forum, would it not be easier and much less expensive to just purchase a General Motors-built vehicle having one of these types of engines already installed?
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All of the jaguar engines for the s type were produced in the ford Bridgend engine factory in Wales.
The seller of the car had stated that these engines are not as good as domestic engines (meaning american) but ford is an American company with factories all over the world.
For a detailed history of the engines see below.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_AJ-V8_engine
The v6 engine is based on a ford durtec motor.
As a European I do not understand this love affair that some Americans have with the Chevy engines.
The seller of the car had stated that these engines are not as good as domestic engines (meaning american) but ford is an American company with factories all over the world.
For a detailed history of the engines see below.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_AJ-V8_engine
The v6 engine is based on a ford durtec motor.
As a European I do not understand this love affair that some Americans have with the Chevy engines.
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+1 on also being European and not understanding it either!
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Any purchaser will be disappointed in the 4 speed automatic. I've had many GM 4L60E's and the drops between gears are large. The 5 speed transmissions in Jaguars are an improvement. The 6 speed ZF6HP26 - no contest.
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pretty sure its an ls7
here is every thing there is to know about the ls's .
LS1, LSA, LSX: What is the Difference? - Chevy Hardcore
i think the obsession is from the availability of a blank brand new crate engine for 10grand or a cheep second hand one for a lot less to bolt in to anything . and with an unreal amount of bolt on options . to boot .
2000hp is not even to much to ask with the right bolt on's , these are strong donkeys for very cheep ! I'm not really in to cross breeding though . if you want big reliable pony's of relatively cheep . it seems its the way to go .
here is every thing there is to know about the ls's .
LS1, LSA, LSX: What is the Difference? - Chevy Hardcore
i think the obsession is from the availability of a blank brand new crate engine for 10grand or a cheep second hand one for a lot less to bolt in to anything . and with an unreal amount of bolt on options . to boot .
2000hp is not even to much to ask with the right bolt on's , these are strong donkeys for very cheep ! I'm not really in to cross breeding though . if you want big reliable pony's of relatively cheep . it seems its the way to go .
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The S-type R is a sleeper that has a lot of power. What happens if you want more HP so you can compete with the latest generation BMW, Mercedes, Camero…
I have 2 languishing projects for my S-types. My LS3 conversion, and a high HP build of a 4.2 motor similar to what Avos has done. (For both cases, I want 600+ HP.)
As most of us know, the most we can get out of a STR engine is 500 or so HP with the addition of a KB supercharger. More than that and you have to build up a motor from scratch. (Overbore, different cam profile… Perhaps forged crank, rods, pistons, head porting larger injectors.) We eventually run into limitations on the engine control module not being hacked so we can tune the engine. On the AJ-V8 series motor seems like EVERYTHING ends up having to be custom made.
On the other hand. There are other modern engines that you can have 600+ HP for less money, and can be cost effectively maintained. Lots of off-the-shelf performance parts are readily available. It just so happens that the LSX series engine is the favorite transplant in the USA.
Face it, it doesn’t matter what side of the pond you are on, from an increased engine performance perspective Jaguar owners of AJ-V8 series engines are screwed!
I have 2 languishing projects for my S-types. My LS3 conversion, and a high HP build of a 4.2 motor similar to what Avos has done. (For both cases, I want 600+ HP.)
As most of us know, the most we can get out of a STR engine is 500 or so HP with the addition of a KB supercharger. More than that and you have to build up a motor from scratch. (Overbore, different cam profile… Perhaps forged crank, rods, pistons, head porting larger injectors.) We eventually run into limitations on the engine control module not being hacked so we can tune the engine. On the AJ-V8 series motor seems like EVERYTHING ends up having to be custom made.
On the other hand. There are other modern engines that you can have 600+ HP for less money, and can be cost effectively maintained. Lots of off-the-shelf performance parts are readily available. It just so happens that the LSX series engine is the favorite transplant in the USA.
Face it, it doesn’t matter what side of the pond you are on, from an increased engine performance perspective Jaguar owners of AJ-V8 series engines are screwed!
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Looking at the picture of the engine bay, the engine sits low enough to be able to fit an aftermarket SC kit without cutting a hole in the hood. (Bonnet). There is likely an interference with the rear support member that sits above the windshield wipers, that holds the plastic shroud below the windshield.
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The S-type R is a sleeper that has a lot of power. What happens if you want more HP so you can compete with the latest generation BMW, Mercedes, Camero…
I have 2 languishing projects for my S-types. My LS3 conversion, and a high HP build of a 4.2 motor similar to what Avos has done. (For both cases, I want 600+ HP.)
As most of us know, the most we can get out of a STR engine is 500 or so HP with the addition of a KB supercharger. More than that and you have to build up a motor from scratch. (Overbore, different cam profile… Perhaps forged crank, rods, pistons, head porting larger injectors.) We eventually run into limitations on the engine control module not being hacked so we can tune the engine. On the AJ-V8 series motor seems like EVERYTHING ends up having to be custom made.
On the other hand. There are other modern engines that you can have 600+ HP for less money, and can be cost effectively maintained. Lots of off-the-shelf performance parts are readily available. It just so happens that the LSX series engine is the favorite transplant in the USA.
Face it, it doesn’t matter what side of the pond you are on, from an increased engine performance perspective Jaguar owners of AJ-V8 series engines are screwed!
I have 2 languishing projects for my S-types. My LS3 conversion, and a high HP build of a 4.2 motor similar to what Avos has done. (For both cases, I want 600+ HP.)
As most of us know, the most we can get out of a STR engine is 500 or so HP with the addition of a KB supercharger. More than that and you have to build up a motor from scratch. (Overbore, different cam profile… Perhaps forged crank, rods, pistons, head porting larger injectors.) We eventually run into limitations on the engine control module not being hacked so we can tune the engine. On the AJ-V8 series motor seems like EVERYTHING ends up having to be custom made.
On the other hand. There are other modern engines that you can have 600+ HP for less money, and can be cost effectively maintained. Lots of off-the-shelf performance parts are readily available. It just so happens that the LSX series engine is the favorite transplant in the USA.
Face it, it doesn’t matter what side of the pond you are on, from an increased engine performance perspective Jaguar owners of AJ-V8 series engines are screwed!
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That is another major hurdle I see that the seller has not solved. On the 2000 S-type the ABS brake module and traction control signals are routed through the body control module and then back to the engine control module. The picture he posted shows the standard Jaguar ABS module.
I put in a GM ABS/TCS module along with a GM brake booster/brake cylinder on my conversion. I also had to replace the ABS/TCS reluctors on all the hubs, and put in the GM Pitch/roll/yaw sensor, plus a GM based instrument cluster. (Some of the GM ABS/traction control control signals are routed through the instrument cluster. (One has to love GM CAN control systems.)
He will likely have to run the car without ABS/TCS.
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Can we put 2006+ control modules in 2003-2004? I haven't researched any of this. Did Jaguar change the complete Electrical system or just the ECM?
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Interesting engine note here....
This is Andrew from Jaguar Specialties and I was reading this thread with great interest. Some of you may not be familiar with the GM engines but to me, what was so interesting here about the Ebay listing is the car is described as a 6.0L LS build. The LS series engines were a clean sheet V8 design that debuted as all-aluminum in 1997 for the Corvette (5.7L), then 1998 for the Camaro (also 5.7L), and then with a cast iron block version for the 1999 and later GMC/Chevy trucks (4.8-5.3-6.0L versions). That's all good info, but the kicker here is the engine shown in the Ebay listing car is an LT1, not an LS. The LT1 is the last version of the Chevy small block, built from 1993-1997. It is definitely not an LS- does not share 1 screw with the LS engines. I sent a note to the seller to see if maybe he had the wrong pic in the listing, or ????
We'll see what he says...
We'll see what he says...
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This is Andrew from Jaguar Specialties and I was reading this thread with great interest. Some of you may not be familiar with the GM engines but to me, what was so interesting here about the Ebay listing is the car is described as a 6.0L LS build. The LS series engines were a clean sheet V8 design that debuted as all-aluminum in 1997 for the Corvette (5.7L), then 1998 for the Camaro (also 5.7L), and then with a cast iron block version for the 1999 and later GMC/Chevy trucks (4.8-5.3-6.0L versions). That's all good info, but the kicker here is the engine shown in the Ebay listing car is an LT1, not an LS. The LT1 is the last version of the Chevy small block, built from 1993-1997. It is definitely not an LS- does not share 1 screw with the LS engines. I sent a note to the seller to see if maybe he had the wrong pic in the listing, or ????
We'll see what he says...
We'll see what he says...