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Old Feb 18, 2015 | 11:00 PM
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Have removed all the bell housing bolts, exhaust, harnesses, cooling lines, shift linkage, torque converter bolts, driveline, but not the starter since it doesn't look like it could hang up anything. Jacked up front of engine and have jack under transmission. It won't budge ....any thoughts or do you need additional info?
 
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Old Feb 18, 2015 | 11:20 PM
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Are you sure you have removed ALL bell housing bolts. I recall reading here that there are a couple bolts that are difficult to see/get to.

Its the only thing that comes to my mind.
 
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Old Feb 18, 2015 | 11:26 PM
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Yes, the number of bolts (16) matches the number of holes around the bell housing...I know the shop manual says remove the starter, but the starter doesn't even engage the torque converter...might hsve to start really prying on it
 
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Old Feb 18, 2015 | 11:38 PM
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I just read alldatadiy instructions for removal. From your op you have everything detached correctly other than the starter. IIRC doing a different job on the wife's, the starter should not be a hold up. Some gentle prying may be on order.

Are you on your back or is the vehicle on a lift?

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Old Feb 18, 2015 | 11:57 PM
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On my back in the garage...I'll take a few pics up top to check for another bolt since I had to remove the top two blind with 2 ft extension and I'll try some gentle prying ...thanks for the info!
 
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Old Feb 19, 2015 | 12:02 AM
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Wonder if the spigot bore on the torque converter could be hanging it up...
 
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Old Feb 19, 2015 | 10:15 AM
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Man I feel for you working on your back, been there done that.


Any luck on getting the tranny dropped?
 
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Old Feb 19, 2015 | 06:56 PM
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Man I feel for you working on your back, been there done that.


Any luck on getting the tranny dropped?
No luck yet it's frustrating as hell...maybe the starter needs to come out
 
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Old Feb 19, 2015 | 08:55 PM
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There are 2 locating hollow dowels that are STEEL and often CORRODE into the aluminum engine/gearbox (dis-similar metal corrosion). They are on either side (about 3 and 9 o'clock).

I usually spray some penetrating oil and let it set for a while. Then start drifting wedges into the seam to split the bellhousing from the engine block.

Work carefully and slowly so as NOT the break the housing. Usually a few wedges spread out are better than ONE BIG ONE!!!!!!!!!

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Old Feb 19, 2015 | 09:03 PM
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Sounds like I need to check that out Bob... I'm trying to figure out where the dowels might be...the two bigger bolt holes at 3 and 9 o'clock on the bell housing? No bolts were in those and it's hard to see if thin? hollow dowels are in there...time for a little Internet research.... Thanks for the great tip!
 
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Old Feb 20, 2015 | 06:47 PM
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I am about to start this process myself on my S type R. Can you post some pictures of your Process? how did you get to the top bell housing bolts? Those are the ones that have me concerned. Also, How high did you have to raise your car up?
 
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Old Feb 20, 2015 | 11:09 PM
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I'm no expert cpears but I jacked up the front wheels and put ramps under them, then I jacked up front even more to about 1 or 2 inches above ramp and put jack stands under. I have a floor jack under the transmission and a hydraulic jack under the front edge of the motor to hold the position of the motor once the transmission is removed...For the top four bolts you need a 13mm socket on the end of a 2 or 3 ft extension (Autozone has 20" extension - you can get 30" at other places) to get to the bolts on top from the driveline end....The car has to be up high enough to get the transmission out from the front or sides...maybe 18 to 20"...
 
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Old Feb 20, 2015 | 11:11 PM
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Old Feb 21, 2015 | 03:46 PM
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Default Pics of jack setup for removing ZF 6HP26 automatic transmission



Hydraulic jack supporting front of engine so that it didn't shift down when I removed the transmission, Jackstand behind jack




Lowering the transmission to the floor, needed to get it off the floor jack underneath the car




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I'm no expert cpears but I jacked up the front wheels and put ramps under them, then I jacked up front even more to about 1 or 2 inches above ramp and put jack stands under. I have a floor jack under the transmission and a hydraulic jack under the front edge of the motor to hold the position of the motor once the transmission is removed...For the top four bolts you need a 13mm socket on the end of a 2 or 3 ft extension (Autozone has 20" extension - you can get 30" at other places) to get to the bolts on top from the driveline end....The car has to be up high enough to get the transmission out from the front or sides...maybe 18 to 20"...
 
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Old Feb 21, 2015 | 03:50 PM
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Finally got the transmission out...yes there were a couple of rusty dowels in the larger holes of the bell housing corroded out...used lots of penetrating oil as well as well as wedges, screwdrivers, putty knives, even a sharp ax!!!
 
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Old Feb 21, 2015 | 03:52 PM
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Thanks for the great info. I am in the process of gathering the needed supplies. I will order up some long extensions for the job. I think getting the exhaust off and out of the way sounds like the most troublesome part from what I have read up on. I plan on replacing the torque converter so maybe I don't need to completely remove the trans from under the car, just lower it enough onto the ground to remove the converter and install a new one.
 
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Old Feb 21, 2015 | 03:54 PM
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Old Feb 21, 2015 | 03:55 PM
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how did you gain access to the three bolts on the torque converter? looks like there were three in a triangular pattern?
 
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Old Feb 21, 2015 | 03:57 PM
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Also, are you going to replace the rear main seal as preventative maintenance or just leave it alone if you don't have a current leak?
 
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Old Feb 21, 2015 | 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by cpears
Thanks for the great info. I am in the process of gathering the needed supplies. I will order up some long extensions for the job. I think getting the exhaust off and out of the way sounds like the most troublesome part from what I have read up on. I plan on replacing the torque converter so maybe I don't need to completely remove the trans from under the car, just lower it enough onto the ground to remove the converter and install a new one.

I didn't completely remove the exhaust, I just dropped down the two pipes as well as the cross member support and the removed the hanging supports from the rubber sleeves in the far back. Left the middle supports in the rubber sleeves between the exhaust pipe and mufflers in place to hang the exhaust in place.
 
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