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Old May 14, 2016 | 05:41 AM
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Can someone in the UK please advise me where I can get the best price to buy a new DCCV valve please?

I might need one and will know for sure next week.
Got an intermittent coolant leak, losing between 0.5 and 0.75L of coolant each run out. Its not the header tank, I've checked it out and no visible leaks.
Theres is a patch of coolant under the passenger side of the engine bay when I stop. I had a good looksee under the car and inside the engine bay from
above using an LED torch and no sign of any leak at that location. But its probably tracking across on engine under tray from somewhere else.
I've set Tuesday aside to get the car up and have a proper look.
Fair play to the members who flagged up changing the DCCV when I first joined. Good advice.
 
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Old May 14, 2016 | 01:57 PM
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Rather than making a guess on the DCCV, it may be best to pressure test the cooling system following a cold-soak.
 
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Old May 16, 2016 | 02:57 PM
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Rather than making a guess on the DCCV, it may be best to pressure test the cooling system following a cold-soak.
Thanks NBCat, yeah the plan is to have a proper looksee tomorrow morning and hopefully I will know then. Just to be cuss awkward it hasn't leaked in the last 2 days.
Using the VIN code I did get one UK price for a new DCCV and to make sure its in stock, which it is and the price is about £83-00 plus VAT. Collection only.

I also need to find out how to sort out the front passenger seat belt pretensioner which isn't working properly.
You have to pull the belt all the way out to plug it in, in one go. You can't pull it out half way and then some more, you have to let it roll back in fully and then pull it out fully.
Minor detial but a pain in the bum if your sitting there, which seems to have become a regular for me as passenger ! My little lady has decided she loves the Jag and she is now calling it her car. Thats made me feel very happy.
 

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Old May 16, 2016 | 03:10 PM
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Is £83 for an OEM or aftermarket part? Once you add VAT, it seems a bit pricey for an aftermarket item.

Pressure testing the system when cold can allow you to see if there are any other places that may be seeping besides the DCCV. The radiator top hose is a well known failure item in addition to the reservoir.
 
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Old May 16, 2016 | 03:33 PM
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Is £83 for an OEM or aftermarket part? Once you add VAT, it seems a bit pricey for an aftermarket item.

Pressure testing the system when cold can allow you to see if there are any other places that may be seeping besides the DCCV. The radiator top hose is a well known failure item in addition to the reservoir.
Thanks for the recommendation of a cold pressure test.

The parts supplier states the item is new OEM and I can't name them out of respect to the sponsors of this section who are in the US. But with shipping costs and importy duty at this end, shipped US parts are either more expensive or usually much more expensive. Its a real shame because I would love to buy bike parts from the US, but its not an option. Say a $40 petrol tap from Ebay US for my bike, shipping is in the order of another $40.
Its been done to death this problem and people have tried all ways round it.
 
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Old May 16, 2016 | 05:20 PM
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You may need to find an adapter that threads onto the reservoir for pressurising the system. Much easier to work around hoses and fittings that are not scalding hot!

HM Revenue & Customs always want to have a piece as well. I would bet they even would want to charge duty on a part clearly labelled: 'Made in UK to Jaguar Specification' just because it was shipped from elsewhere...
 
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Old May 16, 2016 | 06:21 PM
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You may need to find an adapter that threads onto the reservoir for pressurising the system. Much easier to work around hoses and fittings that are not scalding hot!

HM Revenue & Customs always want to have a piece as well. I would bet they even would want to charge duty on a part clearly labelled: 'Made in UK to Jaguar Specification' just because it was shipped from elsewhere...
We have a ravenous tax hungry system here. With savage austerity measures for 5 years at least and wages down in real terms tax revenue is down leaving the government short again. It's a no brainer. But it also spoils US sales in the UK because of import duty at a personal level.

I'll see what bits my mate has got to do a cold pressure test in the morning. He's another biker so we get on and talk the same language.

Bearing in mind the forums advice on changing the valve asap I may well get it done anyway. Wait and see.
 
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Old May 16, 2016 | 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Busa
We have a ravenous tax hungry system here...
One of the reasons I left...
 
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Old May 17, 2016 | 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by NBCat
One of the reasons I left...
This place has changed a very great deal for the worse in the last 10/15 years. A lot of our friends have bailed out for a whole list of reasons.

Btw.
My mate has just left and he had an adaptor for the header filler and a hand pump and gauge all in one..
Cold pressure test showed nothing.
No cracks in the header tank.
Started the engine and ran it with the heater full on and within 5 minutes the rad is leaking on the top of the right hand side. Clearly visible once the header tank was moved out the way slightly.
Coolant was tracking across the engine belly pan to come out where the road camber is ie: on the left..

The DCCV is looking old and will need replacing sometime soon.

It's going to have to be a pattern radiator and I know a man who can supply one for hopefully the right money and with a warranty on the rad.
 
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Old May 17, 2016 | 11:10 AM
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I find Britain to be very much changed as well, starting in the 1970s when I moved from Birmingham to London. Emigration is usually the choice for most people, but I fear there are things to like and dislike about anywhere one settles.

Glad you found the leak, but I am very surprised it did not appear when the system was pressurised.

It may be a good idea to replace the DCCV whilst removing the radiator since you must first remove the fan shroud.
 
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Old May 17, 2016 | 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by NBCat
I find Britain to be very much changed as well, starting in the 1970s when I moved from Birmingham to London. Emigration is usually the choice for most people, but I fear there are things to like and dislike about anywhere one settles.

Glad you found the leak, but I am very surprised it did not appear when the system was pressurised.

It may be a good idea to replace the DCCV whilst removing the radiator since you must first remove the fan shroud.
Thank you NBCat, I think it only leaks when it gets hot.
Yeah I'm going to program in the DCCV valve at the same time and some premium red anti freeze.

Both of my parents grew up in Birmingham during the blitz and I still go and see family over there now. The city centre is so heavily polluted now, its toxic. I was in the new Bullring centre and the new Grand Central over New St station last month. I just feel like a stranger in a strange land.
Soho road and Handsworth as examples are impossible to recognise as Britain. I am really not welcome there and other places. A surreal situation driving down Soho Road from the M5 into the city.

I've been going for a Balti to the balti triangle for several decades but even that has changed a lot. My all time favourite Balti house Saleems in Ladypool Road, Sparkbrook closed last year and I still havent got over it. Absolutely gutted !!! I've seen a few top rock bands in there late at night during the 80s after gigging in the city.
I rarely go into London, never liked the place tbh.
The Ace cafe is my limit.

Sorry I digress.

The radiator has the oil cooler part in it and its more difficult to find the right part. Best price online for a pattern part is £128 incl VAT and delivery 2 year gaurantee.

Best price for a pattern DCCV at £82 incl VAT and delivery.
But the OEM at £83 plus VAT sounds a better deal. (£200 : VAT normal price).
 
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Old May 17, 2016 | 05:56 PM
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Yes, there are parts of London like that as well such as Brixton, where one cannot imagine they are still in Britain. Lived in Chelsea at the time, but used to enjoy getting down to Esher and towards the south coast to be away from the fast pace. Or out to Torquay at the weekend.

I had an aunt who lived in Solihull, but she passed two years ago and have not been back to New St Station or the Bullring for many years.

Sounds as if the pricing on the parts is good since it includes VAT and delivery. Use the Orange Dex-Cool antifreeze when you refill as that is what Jaguar recommends and is not compatible with many of the other coolants. Buy premixed, if possible, or concentrate and dilute with distilled water.
 
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Old May 18, 2016 | 11:39 AM
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The DCCV is a Bosch original item: JAGUAR S TYPE WATER HEATER VALVE XR840091
£85 quid delivered from ebay.

I have ordered premix Comma Xstream G30 antifreeze. 5 Litres £17-70
Xstream® G30® Antifreeze & Coolant Ready Mixed : Manufacturer Approved Antifreeze & Coolants : Products Guide : Comma Oil & Chemicals Ltd.

"Service Classification: Based on Coolant Concentrate that conforms to the requirements of: BS 6580:2010
Official approvals: Glysantin® G30® by BASF is approved by:
VW/Audi/Seat/Skoda/Bentley/Bugatti/Lamborghini (TL774-D/F); Jaguar from 1999 (VIN 878389); Porsche from 1996; MINI Cooper D between 2007 and 2010; DAF; MAN (324 SNF); MTU (MTL 5048)"
 
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Old May 18, 2016 | 11:51 AM
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Great information on the DCCV for other UK members.

Excellent choice for coolant as well as OAT antifreeze is what the specification calls for.
 
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Old May 18, 2016 | 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by NBCat
Great information on the DCCV for other UK members.

Excellent choice for coolant as well as OAT antifreeze is what the specification calls for.

Well thank you for your help and positive comments.
Ive bought the Bosch DCCV for £85, but the radiator is going to have to wait for a little while.

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It is apparent that my 2002 (Later/update model) 2.5 V6 has two different types of radiator. One has the oil cooler (intercooler) in the bottom of the rad (part of the rad) and the other one doesn't. None of the images of the radiators online phsyically show any difference, its only in the description of some sellers that there is a choice. However some sellers don't even mention whether their radiators have the oil cooler or not so there is potential to buy the wrong one. The same radiator without the oil cooler is less than half the price !! ie: £57

I don't know if this applies to the 3 Litre V6 radiator? and tbh I haven't had time to look.

Its also worth remembering that eBay search didn't find many items, but using "Google search" and then looking in "Google shopping" there were the items shown in eBay.
Not a good idea for eBay because there might be better deals elsewhere on Google shopping.
Always best to take your time when searching.
 

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The new Bullring is pretty amazing (if you like shopping).
Grand Central is a huge monstrosity with curved dented chrome cladding which looks almost seamless. Its got an "all seeing eye" on each main entrance and does facial recognition scanning and it scans your smart phone to see what advertising they can show you on the screens inisde. Yeah we believe them

New Street station advertising screens to scan public - Birmingham Mail
 
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When you do order the radiator, it may be determined by the VIN as there are only two versions shown: automatic and manual gearboxes.

There appears to be three auto box versions: up to VIN M45254 (XR82935), then a change beginning with VIN M45255 (C2C1448) and again with VIN M62936 (XR847964). Both later radiators shown in the JEPC have been superseded, so it may be best to check with a local Jaguar agency for the correct part number.

There doesn't appear to be any further description of the positioning of the gearbox cooling tank in relation to the hoses.
 
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Originally Posted by Busa
The new Bullring is pretty amazing (if you like shopping).
Grand Central is a huge monstrosity with curved dented chrome cladding which looks almost seamless. Its got an "all seeing eye" on each main entrance and does facial recognition scanning and it scans your smart phone to see what advertising they can show you on the screens inisde. Yeah we believe them

New Street station advertising screens to scan public - Birmingham Mail
More and more CCTV rubbish and surveillance at every hands turn. Imagine what else they 'see' when scanning your mobile.
 
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Old May 18, 2016 | 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by NBCat
When you do order the radiator, it may be determined by the VIN as there are only two versions shown: automatic and manual gearboxes.

There appears to be three auto box versions: up to VIN M45254 (XR82935), then a change beginning with VIN M45255 (C2C1448) and again with VIN M62936 (XR847964). Both later radiators shown in the JEPC have been superseded, so it may be best to check with a local Jaguar agency for the correct part number.

There doesn't appear to be any further description of the positioning of the gearbox cooling tank in relation to the hoses.
I will certainly fo some more work on identifying the correct rad before I order a new one. My cars VIN is in the range of M45255 to M62936.
 
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Originally Posted by NBCat
More and more CCTV rubbish and surveillance at every hands turn. Imagine what else they 'see' when scanning your mobile.
We try and stay off the system as much as we can but you can't fully be off grid in the UK unless you are homeless with no ID.

I cover the face camera on my smart phone with a sticker and we have just got rid of our Samsung smart tv after not watching any tv for a whole year !! Detoxing.
The Samsung smart TV's have a forward facing camera and microphone which can be operated covertly by 3rd parties to video you and listen to you on your own room and even when the set is off. Well no thanks.
It all came out last year.
We follow the non-compliance principle in our every day lives. It's an unofficial "movement" but fairly well known.
The Patriots Act means any US company on British soil has to hand over any data to the US government when asked to do so. Lockheed Martin collected the 2011 uk census data. Google was just allowed free access to the whole NHS patients database with all personal IDs. What Data Protection Act????
 
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