Hi Guys

I'm just about to Order a Fan from David Manners for my Pre-Facelift 1990 XJS V12

£45-60 inc Vat (EBC 4553) is this OEM?

Just wanted to Check it is the right one before I place my order.

Jaguar Partno_EBC4553#_FAN ASSY PLASTIC V12 ENGINE_David Manners Group with Alts

 

Thats it.

Even the picture shows Black.

The part number checks out in my reference scribes.

 

AS the WoOz says, it is. If you look at the Manners site, the part number has a # sign by it. This indicates it IS an OEM item, rather than a good quality non-OEM part. FWIW, I have never had a duff part from Manners, OEEM or non-OEM. Often they have assured me that their non-OEM is the identical part minus the Jaguar box, and minus 50% of the Jaguar price!
Greg

 

Cheers Grant

Have a drink on me!

 

Hi Greg and Grant

What Bolts do I need to bolt the Clutch to the Engine, is there anything Special about them or are they just M6 or something like that.

I was also thinking of using Nyloc Nuts.

What I didn't want to do, was anything that would unbalance the Flywheel or Snap Off.

And just before you ask, I dropped the originals and cannot find them anywhere as they fell in a pile of leaves.

But I have still got the ones that Bolt the Fan to the Clutch which look like they're made from some sort of Alloy material.

As for the Clutch, its AOK so I really don't see any point at changing that at the moment.

 

OB
Pan that shot back a bit I cannot quite orientate it. Are those 4 holes the ones on the boss that is turned by the V belt, that the fan clutch bolts to?

Are the holes just blank unthreaded holes on the back of the clutch and the boss and all you need is a nut and bolt of a suitable diameter and length? If so, anything will do as long as it is a decent non-wobbly fit in the holes. Originally, I am pretty sure all those fixings and bolts were UNF. If you get stuck, let me know and I will have a look on my spare engine and see for sure.
Re: Fan clutch replacement. The Jaguar V12 paradox (this is an accepted academic subsection of the Schrodinger's cat paradox): If you DO change a part, the old one will be fine unchanged; if you do NOT change it, the old one will fail. I say change it while it is all apart, it is doing the cooling, after all!.
Greg

 

Hi Greg

Its the Boss Bolts (with no thread inside)

 

OB
If I understand the photo correctly, the bolts that go through those four holes go into threaded holes in the pulley, which is itself attached to the boss. The bolts go though from the side away from the camera with the threaded ends pointing towards the camera 0ie where the pulley would be. Therefore the thread size is very important to get right and is a UNF size I am 98% sure. Either way, look at the pulley threaded holes and match the thread. These bolts have to be fitted through the blank holes shown in the photo before the fan is bolted up to the outside part of the clutch, otherwise it is just about impossible to get them in.
Greg

 

Hi Greg

Thanks

Doh! Its all coming back to me now, the Fan has been off for such a long time (last year!) that I had forgotten what went where, so its absolutely crucial that I can find bolts the same as what came off.

 

The 'Jaguar Gods' must be smiling on me, look what I found in my 'Scrapper' and this time I'll take Dougs advice and put a Sheet underneath that Car so that I don't lose any Bolts (any more Bolts! Lol)

 

I think the nuts the hold the fan/clutch assembly to the water pump are 5/16" UNF. The bolts in the photos are all SAE, not metric.

When mounting the fan, you need to start all the nuts and tighten them down at about the same rate. If you tighten one nut first, it will pull the fan in against the flange and then you won't have enough space to start the remaining nuts. Do them all at the same time, tighten a few threads, then moving around to all 4 to tighten them evenly. Belt has to be slack to do this, as you'll need to turn the fan. It's an open ended spanner job.

I always use a drop of blue Loctite on the threads and plain nuts. Don't use nyloc nuts, those are a pain.

 

Just FYI the price on Jaguar parts for this fan is an incredible £173 including UK tax !!!

 

Thanks Alan,

Will be going off the wagon a tad tomorrow (ONE drink only, I'm driving), 31st Anniversay, so spouse and I are off on a quick 600kms round trip for lunch.

 

You dropped something in a V12 engine bay and expected it to drop out the bottom, REALLY????.

Sure they are not in your pocket somewhere, even after 12 months??

SIDE NOTE:

Replace the fan hub, it may "feel" OK, but it is as old as the fan blade that has failed.

 

Lucky sod. Congratulations too!
Greg

 

600kms for Lunch!

You really must be Joking!

If I go more than 20 Miles I always think that something is going to go wrong that I would be unable to fix at the side of the road.

 

Hi Grant

Those Fan Hubs are eye wateringly expensive (much cheaper in the USA) and on top of that I've still got a new Rad to shell out for.

As well as 4 New Tyres!

So I really need to know if She runs after standing doing nothing for the last 16 years.

No sign of the bolts, I'll take some off the 'scrapper'

 

Hi Paul

Imagine a normal motorist going into a Garage/Shop for a New Fan and Hub.

And then presented with a 'Bill' for £500-£600 inc labour + vat.

Unless you can fix these Cars yourself, you're well and truly screwed, the cheapest part of the process, is buying the Car in the first place and then the 'Bills' roll in.

 

Maaaaaate.

20 miles, SERIOUSLY, thats an insult to a V12, HAHA.

We do this run regularly, simple 2 1/2 hours each way. BUT, there are wineries along the way that simply must be visited, and since I do still enjoy a wine or 2 or 3, stocks needed topping up.

I just lifted the bonnet on the Black car for the pre-run check, "looks like an engine, coolant sitting at the level, dipstick shows full and clean, sounds like a Jag", so I closed it and will simply drive it.

FAITH mate, ya gotta have FAITH. Its a Jag, nuff said.

Got your email on that fan, and YES, the Black are lousy looking as compared to the Yellow. We had them in stock at the dealership back in the day, and I made that same comment to the Jaguar Parts Rep, and as much as he agreed, that was what they were, and duly labelled from the "factory", I got "told" as we say.

So based on that who really knows where they are made these days.

 

Hi Grant

I'll try and have a bit more faith that I won't break down but there is so much stuff under the bonnet/hood, that I wouldn't know where to start, if the engine cut out like it had done for one forum member.