Emergency... can not get into gear in my manual trans
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If your clutch pedal action feels normal, then your clutch mechanism has failed. If your clutch has not yet been replaced, you will likely get it replaced under warranty. This is a common and frequent failure on these cars. I am currently on my 4th clutch and currently having a performance clutch manufacturer design and build a high performance clutch for me so that it is ready to be installed when this 4th clutch fails.
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Clutch action feels normal. I was able to start it up in gear with clutch pedal depressed and then shift into other gears from there, but if I shifted into neutral and released the clutch in neutral, then I have to turn the car off and start it back up in gear to get going again. Basically, neutral is broken...
I remember reading about clutch issues but thought they were limited to the clutch slipping and not holding power. Is my neutral problem an issue you have had?
I remember reading about clutch issues but thought they were limited to the clutch slipping and not holding power. Is my neutral problem an issue you have had?
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The clutch is not fully releasing. The only reason you can shift once the car is rolling is that the synchronizers are able to assist the shifting. (if you rev match between gears, you don't even need to use the clutch pedal). This is how 2 of my previous clutches failed. Don't drive around too long like this, as your syncros will wear out prematurely.
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It’s on a tow truck being shipped to the nearest dealer in the morning. I’m not going to risk doing further damage to the syncros driving it more. That and tomorrow isn’t a great day to take a 4 hour road trip anyway...
Appreciate the info, hopefully the replacement clutch is better. What you said totally makes sense given the symptoms I had. I just hope it doesn’t take a month to get it fixed!
Appreciate the info, hopefully the replacement clutch is better. What you said totally makes sense given the symptoms I had. I just hope it doesn’t take a month to get it fixed!
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It’s on a tow truck being shipped to the nearest dealer in the morning. I’m not going to risk doing further damage to the syncros driving it more. That and tomorrow isn’t a great day to take a 4 hour road trip anyway...
Appreciate the info, hopefully the replacement clutch is better. What you said totally makes sense given the symptoms I had. I just hope it doesn’t take a month to get it fixed!
Appreciate the info, hopefully the replacement clutch is better. What you said totally makes sense given the symptoms I had. I just hope it doesn’t take a month to get it fixed!
https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/f...action-158861/
Fixing this requires multiple parts, not just clutch.
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In case no one has mentioned it yet, your clutch is failing :/
That was failure mode #2 for me. Failure mode #1 was slipping under load. Neither was consistent.
The thread mentioned by SinF has all the info. Somewhere in there is the service campaign number as well. That proved useful to me. I don't have the number offhand though.
When they pulled out the clutch, there were loose pieces. They ended up replacing pressure plate and disc, plus flywheel. When they pulled the flywheel, they decided to replace the rear main seal too.
That was failure mode #2 for me. Failure mode #1 was slipping under load. Neither was consistent.
The thread mentioned by SinF has all the info. Somewhere in there is the service campaign number as well. That proved useful to me. I don't have the number offhand though.
When they pulled out the clutch, there were loose pieces. They ended up replacing pressure plate and disc, plus flywheel. When they pulled the flywheel, they decided to replace the rear main seal too.
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[QUOTE=lizzardo;1862880]
That was failure mode #2 for me. Failure mode #1 was slipping under load. [QUOTE] That was failure #1 (loose bits) & #3 (no loose bits) for me. Failure #2 was the slipping.
First two failures on the Gen1 clutch, third on the Gen2 clutch and currently using the 4th generation OEM clutch. All within 22k miles.
That was failure mode #2 for me. Failure mode #1 was slipping under load. [QUOTE] That was failure #1 (loose bits) & #3 (no loose bits) for me. Failure #2 was the slipping.
First two failures on the Gen1 clutch, third on the Gen2 clutch and currently using the 4th generation OEM clutch. All within 22k miles.
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I don't understand how this didn't show up during the development process. These failures aren't occurring at high mileage, and are way too common. They have to have known this would happen and yet, they released this setup for production anyway. It doesn't just make sense...unless, as someone posed earlier, they did it to provide a mechanical fuse to protect an equally-underspeced rear differential. Post-1983 Corvettes have always had higher-spec differentials on manual-equipped cars, and before that, all Corvettes had manual-spec-duty differentials. If Jaguar didn't realize that need on their own, wouldn't their transmission supplier have mentioned it to them?
If they didn't want to do the job properly, for whatever reason, why did they do it all? They had to have known that there was never going to be a high "take rate" for the manual. It's just baffling...
If they didn't want to do the job properly, for whatever reason, why did they do it all? They had to have known that there was never going to be a high "take rate" for the manual. It's just baffling...
Last edited by Dr. Manhattan; 03-22-2018 at 12:42 PM.
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But I'm not abusive on the clutch. I almost always engage at idle or just above and THEN punch it. I did do a 1st gear tire-smoking launch one time though, but that was a while back.
I don't understand how this didn't show up during the development process. These failures aren't occurring at high mileage, and are way too common. They have to have known this would happen and yet, they released this setup for production anyway. It doesn't just make sense...unless, as someone posed earlier, they did it to provide a mechanical fuse to protect an equally-underspeced rear differential. Post-1983 Corvettes have always had higher-spec differentials on manual-equipped cars, and before that, all Corvettes had manual-spec-duty differentials. If Jaguar didn't realize that need on their own, wouldn't their transmission supplier have mentioned it to them?
If they didn't want to do the job properly, for whatever reason, why did they do it all? They had to have known that there was never going to be a high "take rate" for the manual. It's just baffling...
If they didn't want to do the job properly, for whatever reason, why did they do it all? They had to have known that there was never going to be a high "take rate" for the manual. It's just baffling...
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To be fair, I accelerate like that... everywhere.
But I'm not abusive on the clutch. I almost always engage at idle or just above and THEN punch it. I did do a 1st gear tire-smoking launch one time though, but that was a while back.
Agreed, it is pretty frustrating. I am holding out hope that they've fixed it with the 4th gen, but Unhingd's posts have dampened that somewhat. Time will tell, I guess... I would not have bought an F-Type if they didn't make a manual, so I'm glad they did it, just hope they can make it right!
But I'm not abusive on the clutch. I almost always engage at idle or just above and THEN punch it. I did do a 1st gear tire-smoking launch one time though, but that was a while back.
Agreed, it is pretty frustrating. I am holding out hope that they've fixed it with the 4th gen, but Unhingd's posts have dampened that somewhat. Time will tell, I guess... I would not have bought an F-Type if they didn't make a manual, so I'm glad they did it, just hope they can make it right!
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This may be the source of your failing diff and tranny. Bang shifting through the turns is the fast way into the tire wall, not the fast way around the track.