Well, after a great run with my 16 R Coupe, I've moved on. For the record, I was the 2nd owner, purchased with 8K miles and sold the car to CarMax at 17K miles for $44.6. The car's been perfect and has been cheap to maintain (I did not get the coolant pipes done) but I wanted to get something newer. I've been shopping for something different for about a year now and frankly looked at the same suspects I'd looked at seven years ago, used Astons, new/used Vettes, LC500 (didn't consider them last time), and used Caymans/911s. Have narrowed my next toy down to...a newer F Type Coupe. That feeling was cemented as I looked at my car being driven out by the CarMax assessor for his test drive...still jaw droppingly beautiful. That said, I'm one of the few that strongly prefers the look of the redesigned front end and will probably focus on 23/24 450s given the price advantage and my driving habits. The Jag just hits a sweet spot for me like nothing else does.

 

I've had both front ends and can nitpick small details with either version but definitely prefer the redesigned front end. The pre 2021's had a great 7 year run but they now look so dated in my opinion especially when parked beside a newer model. Good luck searching for your new F-Type and be patient.

 

I’ve said this a couple times in different threads…It’s true, that is really when you notice it…When you see the 2 versions side by side in person…I had the opportunity to do so at my dealer when purchasing. Someone had traded in their older one for the new version, and it was on their floor. Definitely does make the original look more dated. To me that is undeniable. But dated is a relative term only, it doesn’t mean it looks bad. When I say dated I’m sincerely not meaning it to be negative.

They both look great to me in their own way, and I think more people like the newer version than some might think…In all likelihood…

I must admit that I think I still prefer the rounder back lights of the older car. I don’t dislike the new ones, but my eye prefers rounder I think.

At the end of the day, if you have an F-Type, any F-Type, you have a great looking car.

Cheers

 

@YRS good call! I'm just a month new to F-Type, so that search is something fresh in my mind still, and yeah, there just isn't another car like it, especially when the value component is factored in.

I definitely don't mind the gen 3 front end with the horizontal lamps, though I think it does visually flatten and broaden the front a little too much. It's definitely a more modern look, but also kind of reptilian to my eye! I'm partial to the MY19 - MY20 gen 2 look, with the full LED headlamps and vertical strakes removed from the bumper scoops, for all except the R, that is, which in that period had the horizontal front vent strakes; I prefer the gen 3 Rs in that regard. The gen 1 cars with the vertical scoop strakes and round headlamps definitely look most dated, which seems appropriate! And don't get me wrong; no F is unattractive!

Have fun in the hunt, and let us know what you get!

 

Thanks for the perspectives and advice. I've been lurking around ads for a while now, but now that I'm serious, I'm finding myself leaning towards JLR dealers. Their prices are in line with the market, and I'd really like a certified car as well. There are a few low mile 24's out there but I think prices are universally on the higher side -- but still in the window of reasonableness from my POV. The one thing I'll add too WRT the new front end is it simplifies the body alignment on the front end. I never did get the right side shut lines to line up perfectly between the hood, fender, and front clip. The new design has just two (hood and front clip).

 

Was not expecting that as I was reading along, but glad to hear it! You'll also get a car that has several updates in both hardware and software since your 2016. I do wonder if you find the P450 a bit flat compared to your R. Do you plan to get it remapped?

 

You might want to check out the inventory at Virginia Beach Jaguar. They currently have 4 new 2024 R75 F-Types on sale for $85K in three different color (black, grey, green) options. The MSRP on these vehicles are in the $120-124K range and are much cheaper than the P450 models they currently have on the lot. I agree with Slip, surrendering 100 HP might be difficult and you probably would not take a chance on tuning a new car while it is still under warranty to make up the difference.

 

Yeah, there have been many a comment on here where people end up wanting more when choosing to go the 450 route. That said, we’re all different, so perhaps in your case it would be fine? I guess that’s where a thorough test drive comes in.

The other advantage of the modern R is that you are getting a reasonably significant suspension difference over the 450, because of it having an improved version of what was in the SVR. You also get all kinds of other niceties obviously as well that come standard, including nicer exterior bits (side skirts, improved look on the lower front, some nicer wheel choices, etc).

Those deals Portlander is talking about sound shockingly good. You would never find that level of discount here in Canada on old new stock.

I think you naturally gravitating back towards an F-type says a lot about these cars. When you like them you like them a lot ;-o

Good luck in your decision

 

Styling is a matter of preference for owners.

Which of these British cars do you prefer?

 

As I understand it (could be wrong) - the 2024 P450 *is* the R but with a lower tune, narrower tires and a different rear diffuser. The suspension is identical to the R.

 

No the suspension is NOT the same as the R. Part of what you are paying for in the R is you are literally getting what was on the SVR but improved. If I look under my car there is SVR stamped all over the place on suspension components. My understanding is that would not be the case for the P450. This has been my understanding.

 

What I was abe to find...

For the 2024 model year, the suspension hardware in the F-Type 75 and R75 is fundamentally the same as what was originally engineered for the SVR.

When Jaguar decided to discontinue the dedicated SVR model during the 2021 mid-cycle refresh, they took the SVR's exclusive mechanical upgrades and made them the new standard for the V8 models moving forward. This included the SVR's stiffer aluminum die-cast rear knuckles, larger wheel bearings, revised upper ball joints, and tweaked anti-roll bars (which were slightly softer in the front and stiffer in the rear to improve turn-in and reduce understeer).

Consequently, the 2024 F-Type 75 and R75 inherited all of this SVO-developed suspension geometry and hardware. While the base 75 model produces less horsepower (444 hp) than the R75 and the old SVR (both at 575 hp), its physical suspension footprint and real-time electronic damper system (Adaptive Dynamics) reflect the same high-performance engineering that made the SVR so capable on the track. Therefore, aside from tuning calibrations and spring rates matched to their specific vehicle weights, the core suspension parts are interchangeable.

 

Your comments are interesting, but they run counter to everything I’ve read to this point.

This is what comes back from some of the AI stuff, for what it’s worth:

No, the Jaguar F-Type R and P450 do not have the exact same suspension, although they share similar components. The P450 often features revised, slightly softer, or upgraded parts—sometimes influenced by the SVR—compared to the more track-focused, rigid suspension setup on the 575hp R model.
Key suspension differences include:

• Tuning & Stiffness: The F-Type R is designed for maximum performance, with suspension tuned to be firmer to handle its higher power output, whereas the P450 aims for a slightly more compliant grand-touring ride.
• Components: While both utilize adaptive dampers and share the core double-wishbone layout, specific settings, stabilizer bars, and tuning parameters differ between the models.
• AWD vs. RWD: The P450 offers both Rear-Wheel Drive (RWD) and All-Wheel Drive (AWD), with the RWD version having a lighter front end, while the 2021+ R is exclusively AWD, affecting overall weight distribution and suspension load.

 

I think the key is in how the AI prompt is done. The P450 was introduced in 2021 and may in fact have different suspension components and settings. I believe the distinction is with the 75 models in 2024 and maybe 2023 when Jaguar heavily streamlined the supply chain and consolidated assembly lines to only produce the V8 models. This was to prepare for the new EV Jags. The best way to do that was make the cars mostly the same.

I've reached out to someone I recently met who actually ran assembly line 4 and will see what he knows.

 

Okay, very interesting. You could be right. Yeah, I’d definitely be interested to know anything concrete you find out.

 

Another bit of info I found. You really have me curious now, as I always thought they were different —>

The Jaguar F-Type P450 does not have the exact same suspension as the 575hp SVR, but it does incorporate updated suspension components, bushings, and rear knuckles based on lessons from the pre-facelifted F-Type SVR to improve compliance. It features adaptive dampers as standard, tailored for a balance of comfort and performance.
Key Suspension Details for P450 (2022+):

• Structure: Uses the updated, stiffer platform designed for later V8 models.
• Upgrades: Features revised springs, dampers, and stiffer rear knuckles.
• Performance: While the P450 handles similar to the previous R models, the full "SVR-spec" suspension tuning (stiffer anti-roll bars, specific subframes) is primarily carried over to the P575 R model, rather than the lower-power P450.
• Handling: The P450 is often described as slightly more forgiving and compliant for daily driving compared to the aggressive, track-focused SVR.

Essentially, the P450 uses parts that improve upon the original F-Type suspension, benefiting from SVR development, but it is not a direct clone of the hardcore SVR suspension setup.

 

Bugeye man all the way!

 

@DMeister

I spoke with the fellow who worked on the production line (just recently retired) and he thought they were the same between the R75 and 75 going down the line.

We should compare some part numbers and then we will know for sure!
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Gemini research..

For the 2024 model year, the 75 (P450) and the R75 (P575) are more similar than in any previous year. Jaguar's official technical documentation confirms that the "revised upper ball joints" were applied to the entire 75-series family.

Why the 75 and R75 are practically identical:
Because both the 75 and the R75 use the same AWD system and the same 5.0L V8 block, Jaguar consolidated the chassis hardware to simplify the final production run. For 2024, the "75" and "R75" share:
* The Revised Upper Ball Joints: These are the same parts on both cars, designed to improve steering communicative feel and toe stiffness.
* Aluminum Rear Knuckles: Previously an "R" or SVR-specific part, these are now standard on the 75.
* Larger Wheel Bearings: Both models use the heavy-duty bearings to handle the V8's torque.
* Adaptive Dynamics: The hardware (dampers and sensors) is identical across the two trims.

 

Your comments have me wondering about it a bit more than before, but the majority of info I’m seeing out there is saying there is a difference between the 2 cars. Perhaps the difference is smaller than I originally thought, but I still tend to think there is some difference based on the cross section of things I’ve read.

Even these descriptions of the 2 on this dealer website indicates/alludes that there is a difference for instance…

https://www.jaguarhuntclub.ca/2025-j...ype-trims.html

I had heard that the rear knuckle updates were applied to both at one point, so that makes a lot of sense to me.

I know what you mean generally though about the streamlining they did in a lot of ways towards the end, so it’s hard to say.

 

Well, this turned into an interesting discussion about differences between models over the year. All that said, I've picked up my new to me F Type. Went with white over black again, as is my preference. It is a 450 R Dynamic with rear wheel drive. I purchased it from Greenville (SC) Land Rover (nee Jaguar, they dropped Jag...the GM and GSM were still grieving to their credit). The car has 2700 miles, has 52 months of Jag's warranty left, and it's also certified...so close to six years all in. Out the door for $68K. The dealership was great throughout the process...couldn't have been more professional. After two days of ownership, some observations compared to my 16 R Coupe. I definitely believe the steering is more dynamic and natural (RWD versus AWD) and one thing I've not heard mentioned is the new front end permits better over the road visibility. The difference isn't huge, but for me, noticeable. I like the sports seats in the new car more than my R's, simply fit me better although the side bolster takes a bit more effort to navigate when getting in. I don't see a real difference in handling or ride except for one key point (to me). I think jounce control is better in the new car...that "whoop" I'd feel going over a bump at speed seems much more controlled. I was surprised at how little difference I felt in power...once you get up to higher speeds the R definitely had more urge, but aside from that, feels pretty close. And I really do prefer the new dash -- full stop. Also, I was ambivalent about the car's wheels in photos, but once I saw them in the metal...love 'em. All that said, the car is much, much quieter. The pops and burbles are gone...that's a real loss. I does sound great once I get on it, but otherwise, pretty demure. A funny thing...which all the guys will understand. As we're driving home, my bride (who had no issue with this purchase, in fact supported me 100%) said she'd like to buy a new high-end watch...smart strategy...of course I couldn't say no Bottom line, am thrilled with the car. Did I say how damned gorgeous it is? Have a couple of photos but won't load past 90%, will try again later.