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Thanks for the pictures ABR, it's look very nice. You had one of the kind head liner here. Have you asked the ex owner who done it? The way I'm thinking is to buttons them, but this is beyond my ability.
Well, I spent about $120 in materials today to find out that I am NOT an upholsterer. I ended up with a handful of janky wrinkles and a bad cut (also on my finger, I’m ok) along the inside of the moonroof area that would not be hidden by the trim. Grrrrr! I’ll be finding an upholstery shop tomorrow if I can manage to undo my mess...
I paid around $2000 and it was worth it to me. I have a 2006 VDP in excellent condition and I don't plan on getting another car since the new ones look like Kias and Fords. suede won't sag if put in correctly. I saw the steps being done for this and I tell you, my car was virtually taken apart, seats out, etc... what a beautiful job and now the car is even more quiet. It took over two weeks to get it done properly by a professional. NOW my problem is NEW SUN VISORS.. I called my local Jaguar dealer and they quoted me $739 EACH.. CRAZY.
Originally Posted by daddylogan
Note: I am creating this thread as not a means to repair a sagging headliner but to replace it with all new foam backing and new liner.
Hi guys. First off I have used the search button and read a few threads about the good ole sagging headliner issues. Some had some pretty good information but then again some were lacking some information so I thought I would get a new thread going here that might end up covering all aspects of this job that can vary as much as $1000 depending on the approach.
So, I will start out with my last two days of contacting local shops and upholsterers.
1) First guy I went to get an estimate from had done other work for me before but not car related and he is good. He told me the only way he would even touch replacing it is if someone else removed it. He told me flat out the rear window has to be removed to do the job properly and obtain the best professional results for reinstalling. Then naturally the window has to be put back. So he quoted me, if I brought him the removed headliner he would do the job for $250 parts and labor. But I then I have to have someone else put it back in and reinsert my back window. Not happy about that.
2) I contacted the best body shop in my town. He told me the exact same thing and quoted me for the whole job, window removal and all for $1000. For-Get-IT!!!!
3) Now being that I had read some of these posts in the past here on the forum I knew there was a way to bend the panel and get it out the back seat door. So, upon a recommendation from a popular shop here in town I went and saw another upholsterer who is suppose to be one of the best in town (but I had never heard of him until today...but then again I don't get to many things done, so there ya go!). So I went to him and explained what all the other shops had said and he told me he could get the panel easily out the back seat, redo the whole headliner with new material to match and put it back in for $200.00 TOTAL!!!! Naturally I was in love with this idea right away...but he was honest with me about one possible issue. He said that *sometimes* when they are reinserted where they have to bend them to get them back in, that a line might develop in the fabric which may or may not disappear over the course of a few days. That was the only warning he gave me. He also said he would guarantee the work for 3 years which I also found pretty darn good, especially here in warm California. He did also say having the rear window removed would be the easiest and most professional way but he is willing to do it the basic DIY way at a great price.
Ok...now that we are past the quotes and my options, let's talk procedure which is where I have been lacking information. The reason I would like this information is so I have some kind of instruction for whoever does this to follow and issues that may be ran into. Now I have read Thermos posts where he states the "B" pillars do not need to be removed which is a good thing since I would imagine they would be the biggest pain to remove because of the seat belts and all. (If I am even correct about that being the "B" pillar?) Anyhow I am going to take a guess here on procedure and please chime in if I am wrong, if there are hidden bolts, screws, tricks or anything that would help this process go smoothly and make this thread an end all for those interested in how this is done. So here goes:
BTW: I have NO sunroof
1) Remove sun visors - I believe you pop open a cap to get to the screws, undo the screws and then disconnect any electrical connections attached to it.
2) Remove Map Light Console - It is my understanding you pry it off with a flat blade screwdriver from the front or a trim removal tool and disconnect the wring harness to it.
2a) Pop off and remover overhead light and disconnect electrical.
3) Remove the "A" pillars. This is where I am confused. I have no idea at what area to pry the clips off or where a certain *strap* that people talk about is located and how to slip it off. I also assume the "A" pillars are the long pieces of plastic trim that follow along the front window to the dash? Last thing I want is damaged or broken pillars and clips. My car is mint on the interior (besides the sagging headliner) and I want to keep it that way!!!
4) Remover the 4 handles by popping of plastic covers and undoing the torx screws?
5) Skip removing the "B" pillars
6) Remove the "C" pillars which I assume are the ones by the back window. Once again I have no idea where to pry to get them to come off or if there is a strap on them also?
7) I would also assume the rear brake light area either has to be pryed off or a screw removed??? I know nothing about that.
8) At this point I would think the liner would be ready to come down bending inwards to get it out of the "B" pillars?
9) Move front seats as far forward as they will go and then lay them back as far as they will go.
10) Remove headline by bending it in a "U shape and taking it out the back passenger door. I have read edges can be sharp so use gloves. I think another question I have it when you bend it, should it be bent in a traditional "U" shape or upside down "U shape? Also that same question would apply for the reinstall.
Anyhow...that is kind of what I picture in my mind but I am sure I am missing things and man would it be great to have some photos of the pillars being removed and where the clips are and the best spots to use the trim removal tool. These are things I am sure most of us have no idea of when it comes to removing trim parts...which can easily break and be damaged.
So I hope we can make this thread an end all for all questions about our X-Type headliners and procedures and options. I have seen some threads in the past where owners of other types of Jags have chimed in but those procedures slightly vary including back seat removals and such so let's keep this all about the X-Type.
Thanks for listing to my rant and please correct any of my ignorance...I am still learning and this place is the best for it!!!
Sorry, this project got put on hold for a bit. Turns out, I broke both C pillar panels getting them off. I’m convinced there is no way I could have possibly removed them without breaking them. The design is horrible, the clips way too strong and the plastic way too thin, and also, 15 years later, brittle. Unfortunately, an extensive used parts search has turned out fruitless, so out comes the superglue. The good thing is, the cracks that will be visible will be way at the back in the pointy part under the rear window glass.
sorry you had to go through so much. it's a big job, REAL BIG
Originally Posted by James Festerman
Sorry, this project got put on hold for a bit. Turns out, I broke both C pillar panels getting them off. I’m convinced there is no way I could have possibly removed them without breaking them. The design is horrible, the clips way too strong and the plastic way too thin, and also, 15 years later, brittle. Unfortunately, an extensive used parts search has turned out fruitless, so out comes the superglue. The good thing is, the cracks that will be visible will be way at the back in the pointy part under the rear window glass.
All fixed. I found a guy to cover it for what I thought was worth it. He did a good job and I re-installed it today. I’ll try and get some photos when I can. I also glued those c-pillar covers back together, then broke the left side one again, in a different place, trying to pop it back in! More glue, again. Seriously, if you’re considering doing this job, have a source for new c-pillar covers lined up, and be prepared to break them getting them off. I couldn’t even pry the connector apart where it was supposed to disconnect, and there was no way it was going to let go of its hold on the body, not to mention, those panels are brittle af. Just have the moon roof cover to do now, but that can wait.
Thanks for the pictures!!! So, when you took it out did you remove the passenger seat or did you just lay it back and take it out the back passenger door? One of the better upholstery places in my town said if I took it out and put it back in then he would do it for $300.00 - however one other place said they would do the whole job for $200 and that kind of scares me. The top notch place in town says they will do the whole thing, but they would take the back window off and charge me 1k...which is unthinkable. So may I ask what you ended up paying? BTW...where in Ca. do you live?
I took it out through the trunk. I have a 60/40 split fold down rear seat. Not sure if they all do or not. That part is a bit tricky by yourself, you’ll want someone to help you bend it, and keep it bent as you’re taking it out, or you’ll definitely damage the edges. The opening to the trunk behind the seats has a sharp lip around it, and it cut into the side of mine like butter. Easy fix though, and you can’t tell where the tear was now. Not sure if I mentioned this before, but the c pillar is bolted on behind the rear seat backrest, so that has to come off anyway. On mine it’s just a 6 or 7 inch wide cushion on either side of the opening to the trunk. If you didn’t have a split backseat, you’d probably have to get the whole backrest out. $300 sounds about right, just to cover it with new fabric. The materials alone are about $120. I’m in northern SD County. I had it done at a place in Vista for $240.
Thanks for the pictures!!! So, when you took it out did you remove the passenger seat or did you just lay it back and take it out the back passenger door? One of the better upholstery places in my town said if I took it out and put it back in then he would do it for $300.00 - however one other place said they would do the whole job for $200 and that kind of scares me. The top notch place in town says they will do the whole thing, but they would take the back window off and charge me 1k...which is unthinkable. So may I ask what you ended up paying? BTW...where in Ca. do you live?
peace out,
daddylogan
'Nachos' in Los Angeles will do it for 250. He'll simply remove the old headliner and foam, in place, and redo with like headliner and foam. I tried asking to add thermo/sound dampening but no go. 1 yr grantee.
FWIW, I had an upholstery shop north of Houston do both of my X-Types and they also did the work on the XK8. NONE of them were more than $350 or $400. I am too lazy to go pull the file to confirm but I KNOW none of the three were in excess of $400, tax included.
I do not recall if the rear window was removed or not, but I do not believe so. No sunroof in either of the X-Types. All suffered from the same fundamental issue of the original factory adhesive not being well-suited for the Texas heat.
The first of the X-Types was done in early 2014 and has had no further issues. The last time I saw the 04.5, it was also still holding up (ex had it up north and has since traded it rather than pay for clutch work).
The materials used actually seemed to be of a higher quality than the OEM.
No need to remove the rear window to extract the headliner. It can be removed thru the rear US passenger door, with some effort and care not to crease it. Wear gloves and a long sleeve shirt because IIRC the backside is itchy, like handling fiberglass.
Not sure Myrtle can doing anything for a sagging headliner in an X-Type. They sell only 1 item for our cars......a £375 walnut steering wheel. Total cost is £455 including £80 S&H to the US, or ~$600 USD delivered.
I have replaced probably 50 headliners. I buy black cloth from Walmart $3/yard, I think it is called fleece. Black headliner looks pretty good. Spray glue from any parts store $10. Buyers never complained about headliner color. I was thinking about using some other colors, like red or with some pattern but never did.
10-04-2017, 09:16 PM
