Disasters after a service... On the lookout for a new ride
Disasters after a service... On the lookout for a new ride
So I had my car serviced by my indie a few weeks back. I have been using this guy for 10 years hes a freind and has always done great work. I dont think its his fault its just ever since the service a series of events have happened.
Right after the service the bottom cover was dropping from the car so i took it a nearby place they screwed it back in and we noticed a pretty major leak, turned out to be coolant. I brought it back and he fixed a hose near the front of the engine that was busted. Less than a week later i noticed the coolant is severely low, I take it back this time he fixed another hose. Then Last week I check my oil level and notice it says basically empty. I drive it to jaguar they fill it up and seemed ok. I have been checking the levels and nothing seem to be lost over the last week. So the other night driving home from work at about 80mph on the free way the dash screen goes red and shows the battery sign then i noticed my steering was pretty much completely locked. I manage to get off the free way and shut the car off and the coolan was basically pissing everywhere. A belt broke and some other hoses bust again.
Its at jag now an im looking at $1100 just for the fix, it also needs a new AC compressor (roughly $1000) and my supercharger is going bad (explains the power loss i have been asking about) .. My extended warranty should cover most of these 2 parts if im lucky.. Oh and I need a right side motor mount also.
Anyway the point is what im curious about is that there was no leakage before the service.. And jaguar dont know exactly where the oil leak is coming from but said its everywhere under the car. And suggested now is the time to get rid....
Truth be told i kind of knew buying this car with 93k miles was a sucker move. It now has 110k and if im lucky and get it back in good shape i may be able to get enough to clear what I owe on it... Its probably all down hill from here as im not handy myself so its all out of pocket..
So my questions are, if anyone else thinks its odd the leaks only came after service, and i know this as the leakage is new to my garage floor..
I know its hard but any insight into whats going on much appreciated, and if anyone knows of any good deals going here in cali please let me know
I was thinking about leasing an F-Type but their all i see on the road these days .. And I couldn't afford the 5.0 SC version, its not going to be fun going back down in power
Cheers guys!
Right after the service the bottom cover was dropping from the car so i took it a nearby place they screwed it back in and we noticed a pretty major leak, turned out to be coolant. I brought it back and he fixed a hose near the front of the engine that was busted. Less than a week later i noticed the coolant is severely low, I take it back this time he fixed another hose. Then Last week I check my oil level and notice it says basically empty. I drive it to jaguar they fill it up and seemed ok. I have been checking the levels and nothing seem to be lost over the last week. So the other night driving home from work at about 80mph on the free way the dash screen goes red and shows the battery sign then i noticed my steering was pretty much completely locked. I manage to get off the free way and shut the car off and the coolan was basically pissing everywhere. A belt broke and some other hoses bust again.
Its at jag now an im looking at $1100 just for the fix, it also needs a new AC compressor (roughly $1000) and my supercharger is going bad (explains the power loss i have been asking about) .. My extended warranty should cover most of these 2 parts if im lucky.. Oh and I need a right side motor mount also.
Anyway the point is what im curious about is that there was no leakage before the service.. And jaguar dont know exactly where the oil leak is coming from but said its everywhere under the car. And suggested now is the time to get rid....
Truth be told i kind of knew buying this car with 93k miles was a sucker move. It now has 110k and if im lucky and get it back in good shape i may be able to get enough to clear what I owe on it... Its probably all down hill from here as im not handy myself so its all out of pocket..
So my questions are, if anyone else thinks its odd the leaks only came after service, and i know this as the leakage is new to my garage floor..
I know its hard but any insight into whats going on much appreciated, and if anyone knows of any good deals going here in cali please let me know
I was thinking about leasing an F-Type but their all i see on the road these days .. And I couldn't afford the 5.0 SC version, its not going to be fun going back down in power
Cheers guys!
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Sad to hear the news, sorry I can't help with insights as I never had a single mechanical problem with my old XFR, albeit it had only done some 40,000 miles when I sold it.
Check out the F-Type forum, apparently dealers are struggling to clear F-Type Rs and you should be able to negotiate a killer lease deal on one.
If you can't stretch to an R then there is nothing wrong with the V6, especially once you spend a little on a tune as I have done. My tuned V6 is every bit as quick as the old XFR was.
Check out the F-Type forum, apparently dealers are struggling to clear F-Type Rs and you should be able to negotiate a killer lease deal on one.
If you can't stretch to an R then there is nothing wrong with the V6, especially once you spend a little on a tune as I have done. My tuned V6 is every bit as quick as the old XFR was.
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Sorry to hear about your bad experience. It sounds terrible
So here is my 2c. Firstly on the issues unfortunately the cooling system has a lot of plastic and rubber parts which are fragile and age over time. My guess is some got disturbed during service work and that weakened the brittle plastic which then broke. You had those repaired, prob disturbed some others and same again
So my guidance would be to first find and fix the oil leak which your service contract should hopefully cover? I simply cannot believe a dealer can say they can't find a serious oil leak like that... impt to find it as unfortunately if you overheated the engine and warped the block then it's probably toast...
Assuming it's not a major fix, then decide if you want to keep the car (how good condition is the rest of it)? If you like it then have them do the supercharger and ac compressor on warranty. And at the same time pay out of pocket to replace all the plastic / rubber elements of the cooling system - there is a list here on the forum from some of the entrepreneurial folks who have done it themselves. Would prob do the water pump too as they have had lots of issues
Hopefully at that point you've had the cooling system totally renovated, new supercharger and the oil leak fixed. That's basically all the issue parts on this engine. For good measure I'd put in a brand new battery too
Then drive and enjoy
But just my 2c.
So here is my 2c. Firstly on the issues unfortunately the cooling system has a lot of plastic and rubber parts which are fragile and age over time. My guess is some got disturbed during service work and that weakened the brittle plastic which then broke. You had those repaired, prob disturbed some others and same again
So my guidance would be to first find and fix the oil leak which your service contract should hopefully cover? I simply cannot believe a dealer can say they can't find a serious oil leak like that... impt to find it as unfortunately if you overheated the engine and warped the block then it's probably toast...
Assuming it's not a major fix, then decide if you want to keep the car (how good condition is the rest of it)? If you like it then have them do the supercharger and ac compressor on warranty. And at the same time pay out of pocket to replace all the plastic / rubber elements of the cooling system - there is a list here on the forum from some of the entrepreneurial folks who have done it themselves. Would prob do the water pump too as they have had lots of issues
Hopefully at that point you've had the cooling system totally renovated, new supercharger and the oil leak fixed. That's basically all the issue parts on this engine. For good measure I'd put in a brand new battery too
Then drive and enjoy
But just my 2c.
Sorry to hear about your bad experience. It sounds terrible
So here is my 2c. Firstly on the issues unfortunately the cooling system has a lot of plastic and rubber parts which are fragile and age over time. My guess is some got disturbed during service work and that weakened the brittle plastic which then broke. You had those repaired, prob disturbed some others and same again
So my guidance would be to first find and fix the oil leak which your service contract should hopefully cover? I simply cannot believe a dealer can say they can't find a serious oil leak like that... impt to find it as unfortunately if you overheated the engine and warped the block then it's probably toast...
Assuming it's not a major fix, then decide if you want to keep the car (how good condition is the rest of it)? If you like it then have them do the supercharger and ac compressor on warranty. And at the same time pay out of pocket to replace all the plastic / rubber elements of the cooling system - there is a list here on the forum from some of the entrepreneurial folks who have done it themselves. Would prob do the water pump too as they have had lots of issues
Hopefully at that point you've had the cooling system totally renovated, new supercharger and the oil leak fixed. That's basically all the issue parts on this engine. For good measure I'd put in a brand new battery too
Then drive and enjoy
But just my 2c.
So here is my 2c. Firstly on the issues unfortunately the cooling system has a lot of plastic and rubber parts which are fragile and age over time. My guess is some got disturbed during service work and that weakened the brittle plastic which then broke. You had those repaired, prob disturbed some others and same again
So my guidance would be to first find and fix the oil leak which your service contract should hopefully cover? I simply cannot believe a dealer can say they can't find a serious oil leak like that... impt to find it as unfortunately if you overheated the engine and warped the block then it's probably toast...
Assuming it's not a major fix, then decide if you want to keep the car (how good condition is the rest of it)? If you like it then have them do the supercharger and ac compressor on warranty. And at the same time pay out of pocket to replace all the plastic / rubber elements of the cooling system - there is a list here on the forum from some of the entrepreneurial folks who have done it themselves. Would prob do the water pump too as they have had lots of issues
Hopefully at that point you've had the cooling system totally renovated, new supercharger and the oil leak fixed. That's basically all the issue parts on this engine. For good measure I'd put in a brand new battery too
Then drive and enjoy
But just my 2c.
My contact at jaguar service is strongly advising its time to go. He also stated today that the suspension is falling apart?
- The sad part is this car looks like a show room car still, inside and out. Its beautiful and im still in love with her.. New battery went in, they said the old one wouldnt hold charge and they didnt charge me for it which was nice. the water pump was done when i got the car first. End of 2016.. As for the oil leak he said that it was just too difficult to pinpoint..
But upon fixing all these issues like you said, at 100k plus miles, im guessing selling is the smartest option if i can find a buyer. ? Im just thinking its probably only so long before it starts to trickle to other things... As for the suspension i dont even want to know what that costs. lol
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I would be tempted to take it to an independent Jag specialist for their opinion. Dealers want you to trade in your car and get another one, so they may be exaggerating by saying thing like the suspension is falling apart.
Yes, unfortunately, Jag uses rubber boots on some of the suspension ends that is guaranteed to break apart and let the grease out and the dirt in. Technically those items need to be replaced when it happens, but in reality, they don't need to be replaced until there is play in the joints, which could take a long time.
As for the oil leak, these guys either aren't trying or being bozos. If they can see the leak easily, they need to put dye in the oil and look for the source of the leak with a UV light. When it's making a big mess like that, they will find it.
Yes, unfortunately, Jag uses rubber boots on some of the suspension ends that is guaranteed to break apart and let the grease out and the dirt in. Technically those items need to be replaced when it happens, but in reality, they don't need to be replaced until there is play in the joints, which could take a long time.
As for the oil leak, these guys either aren't trying or being bozos. If they can see the leak easily, they need to put dye in the oil and look for the source of the leak with a UV light. When it's making a big mess like that, they will find it.
I would be tempted to take it to an independent Jag specialist for their opinion. Dealers want you to trade in your car and get another one, so they may be exaggerating by saying thing like the suspension is falling apart.
Yes, unfortunately, Jag uses rubber boots on some of the suspension ends that is guaranteed to break apart and let the grease out and the dirt in. Technically those items need to be replaced when it happens, but in reality, they don't need to be replaced until there is play in the joints, which could take a long time.
As for the oil leak, these guys either aren't trying or being bozos. If they can see the leak easily, they need to put dye in the oil and look for the source of the leak with a UV light. When it's making a big mess like that, they will find it.
Yes, unfortunately, Jag uses rubber boots on some of the suspension ends that is guaranteed to break apart and let the grease out and the dirt in. Technically those items need to be replaced when it happens, but in reality, they don't need to be replaced until there is play in the joints, which could take a long time.
As for the oil leak, these guys either aren't trying or being bozos. If they can see the leak easily, they need to put dye in the oil and look for the source of the leak with a UV light. When it's making a big mess like that, they will find it.
Well even a stopped clock is right twice a day..lol And I'm doing somthing I thought I'd NEVER do, but I have to agree with Lotus on this one, before you take the plunge into a new car get a another opinion outside of the Jaguar dealer. With coolant, PS oil and regular oil under the car, how can they tell what is what, and are you sure after your indi last serviced it the oil level was right? Our ancillary parts (AC comp, Alt, Starters, SC) are nothing unique to Jag, and can be rebuilt for a fraction of new but your going to have to do some research, why are my SC and AC comps bad? What are all my repair options, All cars can have issues, and any car at the XFR level of performance and luxury is going to cost $$$ to fix, if you can't fix it youself. But why start over? You got my number and I'm off this weekend give me a call if I can help.
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I just noticed you're in Los Angeles. I wouldn't trust anything any of the LA area Jaguar dealer techs tell you. I'm sure someone else can recommend an actual Jaguar indy, but the guys over at North Hollywood Auto Repair are honest and fairly inexpensive. They used to do some work for me on my old 4.2 XJ. Thankfully I haven't needed their services in quite some time.
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I totally agree with the above. A 2010 XFR should have plenty of life in it. And 100k is not high for a modern engine. Yes - I'd expect some repairs each year that will cost a bit - but depreciation on a newer car should be a lot more than that cost
I'm amazed a dealer service tech is trying to tell you they can't fix it any more... Find someone else! A chronic electronic niggle might be hard to pinpoint but a material oil leak... that's not a major job to find
Try a couple of the Indy folks above and see what they say - then at least you make an informed decision on the scale of the issues.
I'm amazed a dealer service tech is trying to tell you they can't fix it any more... Find someone else! A chronic electronic niggle might be hard to pinpoint but a material oil leak... that's not a major job to find
Try a couple of the Indy folks above and see what they say - then at least you make an informed decision on the scale of the issues.
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actualy its oposite, after 2009 all manufacturers went for direct injection, light, and eficienty engines (horse power per liter, and mpg) some engines is so bad that wears out in 60K miles
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Maybe the occasional low mileage failure. But I've never seen evidence that these engines are not able to do 100k reliably. I would be amazed if that's factually correct. We have three cars with well over 100k and zero issues - incl one JLR V8 5.0
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Ahh, that's right. I completely forgot they had an actual shop. I live about 15 mins away from them, so now I know where to go should I ever need help.
It ain't much to look at but he was swamped with Jags and Range Rovers when I stopped by.
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