Wald put 295's on the Black Bison (albeit 21") so it must be possible somehow....

Just checked the parts catalog, it only shows one rear wheel arch liner for the whole range (X350 & X358).

I've since figured out why that why those Venus wheels didn't work on the back of my XJR, but Litho in the UK had no problems on his.

There are in fact two types of Venus 18x9.5 alloy wheels available from Jaguar.

The fronts are always the same 18x8.5, p/n C2P1010, off the front of the XK, all 4 corners of the XF, and obviously also fit the X350 and S-Type.

The 2006-2010 XK (up to VIN B32752) has an 18x9.5, p/n C2P1011, does not fit the X350
The 2010 onwards XK (from VIN B32753) has an 18x9.5, p/n C2P12612, which does fit the X350

The offsets of these two wheels is very different, I don't have the measurement for the new wheel yet though...
Jaguar changed the rear axle of the XK from VIN B32753 which uses the same offset for the XK, XJ & XF

So there you go, another little trick to catch us out...

Prices are in the Arden online shop...not cheap!

 

The Arden Wheels are really beautiful. For now I am sticking with my 20 inch Sepangs, with recently installed trim rings.

Rye Jag

 

Hi all, just to let you know i fitted 285/30 20s Pirellis on the back of my x358 today on the stock Cremonas with absolutely no scrubing issues at all (my car runs 35mm lower on the back) no modifications made. Its tight but they go!

Fills out the arches nicely and the improved grip helps put the power where it belongs; on the road :-).

Ill post some pics up once ive cleaned the car, English summer, rain, rain and more rain!

 

Couple of pics of the xjr with 285s on (please excuse the curbed alloys previous owner did them and they will be getting refurbed soon!)









With the amount of free space under there i would imagine a 295 would go on too as it would only be an extra 5mm each side.

 

So there is hope yet! Caldoofy which Cremona size and offset do you have in the rear? Its cast in on the inside of the wheel spokes.

Unfortunately my project stalled due to spending some time in the hospital and the weather. Hope to get on it this weekend;-) Hope a pair of spacers and studs solve my issue. Promise to post some pics once I figure out how.

Could the guys with the magic Jaguar decoder rings please check and post the offsets for the following. I pounded the web long enough.

Venus 18 x 8.5 - 5 x 108 +49mm Offset - OEM: C2P1010 (6W83-1007-AB) Hollander: 59819 - 2007-11 XK
Venus 18 x 9.5 - 5 x 108 +??mm Offset - OEM: C2P1011 Hollander: 59820 - 2006-2010 XK (up to VIN B32752) does not fit X350
Venus 18 x 9.5 - 5 x 108 +23?mm Offset - OEM: C2P12612 Hollander: 59852? - 2010 onwards XK (from VIN B32753) does fit X350

and

Cremona - 20 x 8.5 - 5 x 108 +49mm Offset - OEM: C2P13766 Hollander: 59825 -
Cremona - 20 x 9.0 - 5 x 108 +49mm Offset - OEM: C2C33751 (7W9M1007AA) Hollander: 59812 - XJ8 2007-2009
Cremona - 20 x 9.5 - 5 x 108 +??mm Offset - OEM: C2P13767 Hollander: 59826 -

-Karl

 

Taking a took a look at the 285/30-20 Michelin PSS spec's it's meant (I.E. safe) for 9.5-10.5" rims (typical of the size)and section width is 11.4" on a 10" rim.
The 285/35-19 PSS is for a 9.5-11" rim and section is also 11.4" on 10".

So measuring my 04 XJR from the outside lip of the fender to the well liner plastics is 12.125". If I subtract the measured .75" for the lip and plastic that gives me 11.25" rounded for the well width. The tread width of 285mm is 11.25" rounded and measuring my 285/35-19 its actually about 10.75". My rims are 10x19 (11" wide total) and with the car lifted and suspension resting the wheel is at best .25" from the plastics.

So the 285 is 11.4" wide and the well has 11.25". Obviously the 10" ET 46 wheel needs to be pushed out. But where? I still need to check on suspension travel and where the wheel ends up at the upward limit.

Looking at Caldoofy's pictures I'm currently at a loss. There should be a little room to push out my wheel and tire. Time for yet more physical measurements.


-Karl

 

I like that wide tire look

 

Karl,

The wheels on the back of mine are 9x20 et49 bbs cremonas (standard fit i believe) looking underneath today there is 12mm gap between inner arch plastic and tyre and 10mm front arch lip to tyre so bags of space.

295s using this offset would leave 7mm inner clearance and 5mm outer clearance so that answers how Arden manages it as the offset is effectively the same (ET50 = 1mm further in towards arch liner).

Solution to fitting 285s on the rear is stick with a 9x20 alloy with an et49 offset and they will go on.

Hope this of help to everyone.

 

Thanks for the info Caldoofy.

But, oh dear...my Arden wheels are 21x10 with ET50 for the rear, according to what you've measured they won't fit???

And that's strange since Wald offer a 21x10.5 ET30, and from the pics the cars are definitely lowered???

 

Cambo,

I have revisited my thinking on this and edited my post because thinking about it a 10 inch wide alloy is only 10 x25 mm which is obviously 250mm wide and thinner than the 285 tyre we are talking about.

Therefore that would allow a 10 inch alloy to fit if the offset were the same ie Arden however this does not explain the Wald as an et30 offset would bring the alloy out by 20mm which would definately catch even with arch rolling.

Upshot is i believe your ardens will go straight on with 295s whereas from what ive found i cannot understand the Walds only possiblilty is they have listed the rear wheels for an xk by mistake?

I think most people on here are having issues with fitment due to trying to use the xk rear alloys when fitting the 285s, reverting to xj offset should solve the problem.

 

OK, so here it is. The answer is YES.

Arden 21x10 ET50 rim, fitted with Continental 295/25R21 tyre.

But a little modification to the inner wheel arch lining is needed....







Continental 295/25R21 compared to Mickey Thompson 255/35R20



















No problem with the outer wheel arch, and doesn't it look spectacular!

However it ever so slightly fouls the inner wheel arch, BUT only by a few mm...





And here you can see the result of the rubbing









See that 2nd pic of the wheel arch liner? You can see how thick & raised up it is.

All you have to do is trim the plastic lining away, there is a good 10-15mm clearance when you take the liner away.

10" wide ET50 with 295's, no problem.

And if you want to go back to stock, the liners are still available to buy from Jag for £63 each.

I guess with a 9" wheel a 285/295 tyre is not so wide, actually it was only the protruding "rim protector" of the tyre that was rubbing.

It can be done

 

My XJ8 has 275 35 19 on the rear 245 40 19 front it does not rub

If you where worried about grip toss the Falkens in the bin they are rubbish had them on my XJR6 fried them all the time

Went to a set of kuhmos lasted heaps better and stick very well for a cheap tyre not sure if they make 20,s though I was using 17's

The 275,s on my XJ8 are cheap Chinese ones

I bought them in Melbourne the day after buying my XJ8 in Sydney

When I went to the local garage after picking it up to check the tyre pressures I could see the tyres where shot

I was going from Sydney to Melbourne then back home to Queensland

I figured they would last the trip but on the way to Melbourne I saw rain clouds and thought oh no

Just rang a mate in Melbourne told him to get me a set in bought the 4 tyres for $550 fitted balanced thought they will do for the trip home to Queensland

I am pretty happy with them I'll be leaving them on there but my XJ8 does not have the power of the XJR V8 engine

When I get my new diff with 3.06 gears Ill be happier

 

The Falkens are long gone Doc....

I guess the point of the 295 question was "how wide can you go?" as well as matching the rolling circumference of the stock size.

It's also a question of how it looks, the 295's on the back of the XJR look really tough.

 

Cambo351 the wheels look great. Can we some more pics of the car outside and from the back so we could see how both rear wheels look together & maybe a shot of how the whole car looks with the wheels on.

 

hmmm 305s anyone ?

 

To true

I like the look of the 275,s on my XJ and when I was calculating tyre sizes to try and get the speedo right

I would have needed 305 I didn't think they came that wide let alone fit LOL

 

What size tires did you put in the front Cambo351? If they are a different size, did you have any trouble with the ABS?

 

OK just to be clear, this was a trial fit only and these wheels have now been sold to a forum member. So keep your eyes peeled in the new year for them showing up on another car.

I only had the one 295 for a test fit on the back. That's why there's only pics of that corner.

The fronts will be 255/30R21's, which are almost the exact same rolling circumference as the 295/25R21, so no issues with the ABS.

The 255's being the same width as stock, there is no issue on the front.

The wheel for the front is 21x9 ET40, which pushes the fronts outward by 9mm, compared to the stock 20x9 ET49.

There's plenty of clearance on the front, so that 9mm is no big deal. It will look pretty good too!

 

Hey guys i just bought an 04 XJ with 40k miles, just bought a almost new set of 20" Staggered Sentas from this guy last week. Installed it yesterday with 255/35/20 tires on the front and 275/35/20 on the back, but i've had a lot of rubbing on the back tires after going over even the smallest bump on the road.. What do u guys suggest I do to make them fit? Can it be solved with going to a 255 (like the front, even though they are barely larger on the back) or a 265? Or do I need to also reduce the rear height of the tire to 30 instead of 35.. Fronts fit fine.. I'd appreciate the help guys..

 

I have 275,s on my XJ but they are 19's try this linkVisual Tyre Size Calculator | Kouki Tech use a GPS to see where your speedometer is at then use this to correct the tyre width and height to get your speedo right first