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SDD is not different for any of the communication devices - therefore the SDD training manual gives appropriate guidance. However many clones and newer 3rd party will not work fully with the cars earlier than 2005, even though 131 is made to work with pre 2005.
The later versions also work but will switch to LEGACY for anything 2006 or earlier, according to the documentation - then clones will still not necessarily work.
- therefore the SDD training manual gives appropriate guidance
That is what I need. I wanna to try to program ECM but afraid to screw something.
If you know where I can get manual. I'll be very grateful because without know how
trying thing I've never done before is like put myself on fire to see if that keeps me warm
You can download the IDS-SDD training manual at the link below. It will help you understand the basics of using SDD, but programming modules often requires learning from experience and trial and error. Be sure to carefully read, understand and follow all on-screen prompts before proceeding, and you must have your computer power supply plugged in and you must have a stable power supply connected to the vehicle battery to maintain the voltage above 13 volts or so. Jaguar recommends the Midtronics PSC-550, which is a 55 amp 13.4 volt low-ripple power supply (not a battery charger, which can vary its charging voltage depending on battery state of charge):
Be warned that when programming it is very easy to cause a problem in a module that may or may not be possible to recover from. See this thread for a recent example:
Jaguar recommends the Midtronics PSC-550, which is a 55 amp 13.4 volt low-ripple power supply (not a battery charger, which can vary its charging voltage depending on battery state of charge):
Battery Protection Board, 4S 100A 12V
I don't know if this is good find or that would be good substitute
for $1000 unit but under $20 Canadian I would guess it could be
something forum pros should take a second look.
Battery Protection Board, 4S 100A 12V
I don't know if this is good find or that would be good substitute
for $1000 unit but under $20 Canadian I would guess it could be
something forum pros should take a second look.
That is a voltage controller specifically for charging LiFePO4 battery arrays. It is rated to handle up to 100A, but it is not a power supply and it doesn't look as though it would be easily adapted for supplying clean, stable, high-current power to a Jaguar while programming was being conducted.
Before I found a good deal on a used Midtronics PSC-550, I used a 50A 13.6 volt computer power supply while programming with SDD, and it worked well enough. I bought the power supply on ebay and added cables with battery post clamps. An old set of jumper cables would work fine.
That is a voltage controller specifically for charging LiFePO4 battery arrays. It is rated to handle up to 100A, but it is not a power supply and it doesn't look as though it would be easily adapted for supplying clean, stable, high-current power to a Jaguar while programming was being conducted.
I'm glad I've found something useful but how would you adapt that unit?
Basically you'll need to bring power to and out to battery to make it work
I'm glad I've found something useful but how would you adapt that unit?
Basically you'll need to bring power to and out to battery to make it work
Don't really need it unless you use the device "professionally" as-in every day or three. Most DIY owner/drivers might not need it once a year?
Bring the in-vehicle battery, plus a SECOND decent 12V battery, up to full charge with wotever charger(s) you already have.
Jumper the two batteries parallel before starting with the SDD tool.
Bespoke "Anderson" plug, MIL-style "buddy" jumper plug, else BOLTED or screw-clamped, AND NOT 'alligator' spring- clipped' jumpering, if you please?
- Work in subsystem/specific-goal sessions of sane duration, not a whole-universe "all nighter".
- Re-charge IN BETWEEN sessions.
- The pair of batteries should last long enough no external charger need be attached whilst a session is live.
......Ergo no electrical spike or noise source whilst the fragile alleged-computers are trying to converse with each other, either.
- Redundant batteries reduce 'single point of failure' risk as well..
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Don't really need it unless you use the device "professionally" as-in every day or three. Most DIY owner/drivers might not need it once a year?
Bring the in-vehicle battery, plus a SECOND decent 12V battery, up to full charge with wotever charger(s) you already have.
Jumper the two batteries parallel before starting with the SDD tool.
Theoretically this could work for very short sessions that require only 12.6 volts or less, but I personally would not trust any number of batteries while programming. The risk would be too great of the voltage falling below 12 volts or whatever SDD's minimum is for a given operation. I seem to recall at least some operations that called for a minimum of 13 volts, which standard batteries could not provide.
With a Mongoose clone cable, updating the firmware in the transmission can take more than 45 minutes, so it's very likely the batteries would discharge to below 12 volts. With a genuine Drew Tech Mongoose or Ford VCM, most programming proceeds more quickly, but the risk of bricking a module is so high that it doesn't make sense to rely on batteries with their continuously-depleting voltage. And since so many owners are using clone cables, they really should invest in some sort of power supply to eliminate the possibility of voltage sag.
My first setup was with a desktop computer power supply similar to the one at the link below. It costs about the same as a new battery, but maintains its voltage as long as necessary:
Theoretically this could work for very short sessions, but I personally would not trust any number of batteries while programming. The risk would be too great of the voltage falling below 12 volts or whatever SDD's minimum is for a given operation.
For example, with a Mongoose clone cable, updating the firmware in the transmission can take more than 45 minutes, so it's very likely the batteries would discharge to below 12 volts.
OUCH! Serious coder could do that faster even if limited to nought but COBOL!!!
Hopefully, I'll not have the need until Gap IID Jaguar add-ons are out of Beta testing.
OUCH! Serious coder could do that faster even if limited to nought but COBOL!!!
Hi Bill,
SDD is very slow in general, perhaps because it appears to be a vast library of HTML pages viewed in a brower-like interface. And the Mongoose clone cables seem to communicate at a slower rate than the genuine approved interfaces.
Hopefully your 2005 came with the last transmission firmware (issued in mid-2005 if I recall correctly), so you won't ever have to update it. Most of the 2004 cars eventually need the upgrade to address rough shifts and other misbehaviors.
SDD is very slow in general, perhaps because it appears to be a vast library of HTML pages viewed in a brower-like interface. And the Mongoose clone cables seem to communicate at a slower rate than the genuine approved interfaces.
That doesn't HAVE to slow anything down, if but done elegantly.
Hopefully your 2005 came with the last transmission firmware (issued in mid-2005 if I recall correctly), so you won't ever have to update it. Most of the 2004 cars eventually need the upgrade to address rough shifts and other misbehaviors.
Cheers,
Don
Mine left the factory February of 2005, but if I HAD been 'at risk', prior-owner dealer maintenance must have sorted it by the time I acquired it, 2015?
It WAS rather gnarly - for about two weeks - right after the vanilla drain/flush/fill multi-step service cycle (hired done by a qualified indy shop, not DIY'ed).
No fear- it cured itself nicely, hasn't set a foot wrong, since..
Personally, this is what I use when programming with SDD, or, Subaru, or most recent generation of GM software (which makes SDD look like a 1970s HP calculator, and is VERY finicky). It is a dual-purpose charging and power supply - In Power supply mode, it provides more than enough stable non-sine wave current to support anything you might be doing in SDD/IDS. And it also is a very nice charger.
Personally, this is what I use when programming with SDD, or, Subaru, or most recent generation of GM software (which makes SDD look like a 1970s HP calculator, and is VERY finicky). It is a dual-purpose charging and power supply - In Power supply mode, it provides more than enough stable non-sine wave current to support anything you might be doing in SDD/IDS. And it also is a very nice charger.
A friend of mine has a Clore Automotive Solar Pro-Logix PL2320, and it is a nice charger and power supply. But it is only rated for a maximum current supply of 20 amps, so using it to program an X350 could be risky according to the Jaguar documentation, which states that even the 55 amp rating of the mandated Midtronics PSC-550 may be insufficient unless all unnecessary electronic consumers are switched off. Here's a snip from the relevant TSB:
I used this as a PSU: HP DPS-600PB B
It is a server-rated PSU, 13.6V / 42A, I tuned mine (by twisting a potentiometer) to 13.8V.
Oh and I got it for $50.
Unless that power supply has a ripple specification I would not use it.
Taken from Don's attachment.
It needs to be less than 50 mv RMS. Most cheap power supplies and/or battery chargers will never post this spec because it will be terrible!
As Don posted I have seen SDD session draw 30+ amps for a LONG time.
Your right that SDD is a huge subject.
Here are some threads that might help too.
This was a quick search and it returned 339 results! SDD Threads
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