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Old Apr 29, 2024 | 04:23 PM
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I am back after some time.
Timing updated with OEM parts but the engine is still knocking. I will remove it for revision.

FYI both secondary tensioners were cracked but they still keep pressure. There is metal cylinder inside which keeps shape and pressure thus I expect that they worked...somehow. Primary tensioners were in a good shape. Primary guides cracked and blades scratched by chain. Some pictures will follow.
 
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Old Apr 29, 2024 | 04:28 PM
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Hereby pictures...












 
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Old Apr 29, 2024 | 04:36 PM
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Don B: I have no idea why Jag mechanic told me that 5.0 Pulley bolt is weaker compared to 4.0 bolts. I think it was related to material quality but I have to ask him again to clarify that.

I have a question regarding torque spec from your table above. My engine has split locking ring thus I expect it should be torqued directly to 375 Nm and not via Stage 1 80 Nm and Stage 2 80 degrees? Am I right?
 
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Old Apr 29, 2024 | 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Zdicho
I have a question regarding torque spec from your table above. My engine has split locking ring thus I expect it should be torqued directly to 375 Nm and not via Stage 1 80 Nm and Stage 2 80 degrees? Am I right?
Yes, as I understand the Workshop Manual, if you have the split collet "locking ring," you can torque the bolt to spec without the 2-stage process. The bolt will stretch when the split collet fully seats.

The torque table in the manual says 375 Nm, but the actual crank damper replacement procedure in the manual says 364 - 386 Nm. Either way you should be good at 375 Nm. Bear in mind that the SAE considers a torque wrench sufficiently accurate if it torques to within +/- 4% of spec.

I'm so glad you replaced those cracked tensioners - they were a ticking time bomb as too many have discovered the hard way.

I'm very sorry to hear that the engine is still knocking after all of your hard work. How frustrating! Do you have a mechanic's stethoscope to probe around the engine to see if you can better locate the area of the knock? A long socket extension or screwdrive can work also if held to your ear while probing various points on the engine, but they are more awkward to use and less maneuverable than a stethoscope. Most auto parts stores carry them, and Harbor Freight carries one that works well at a very low price.

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Old Apr 30, 2024 | 03:51 AM
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Don B: replacing tensioners was quite fun but yes, I would prefer to have the engine done already! Removing the engine is something I would prefer to avoid...

I have a stethoscope but localization is a bit difficult this time. Knocking can be heard at many places at the top and also at the bottom of the engine etc. It is strongest at the thermostat tower and maybe oil pan. There is not much to inspect and the source is 99% connecting rod bearings as this is quite common problem if the engine is running without sufficient oil level or with very old oil. Once bearings become slightly worn it is progressing more and more and knocking is main symptome AFAIK.
 
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Old Apr 30, 2024 | 03:55 AM
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Hereby my professional stethoscope!

It works well but FYI I also use real mechanics stethoscope but there is not any difference... maybe pointing deep narrow holes
 
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Old Apr 30, 2024 | 06:05 AM
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If you unplugged all 8 coils one at a time, removed drivebelt and replaced the timing set, none of that made a difference with the knock?
 
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Old Apr 30, 2024 | 07:46 AM
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Nice job and I love all that new tensioner stuff!
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Old Apr 30, 2024 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Addicted2boost
If you unplugged all 8 coils one at a time, removed drivebelt and replaced the timing set, none of that made a difference with the knock?
No, I doubt there is any difference or I am maybe deaf... Didn't try to unplug coils again. Will do tomorrow!
 
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Old May 6, 2024 | 04:44 PM
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Today I was unplugging coils and LH bank front is influencing cnocking. See highlighted cylinder at the picture below. When unplugged knocking amplitude (volume) is increased. Knocking almost dissapears when the engine reaches operating temperature.


 
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Old Aug 20, 2024 | 03:52 AM
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After quite some time I am returning to my garage trying to identify knocking. I was sick two months and then finishing what I missed due to the sickness and now back on track!

Yesterday I removed upper oil pan and inspected all connecting rods bearings and piston rods - all looking good. The sound comes from flywheel area. When I place stethoscope at flywheel I can hear the click noise. I cannot hear it with stethoscope at connecting rods.

Would it be possible to have a problem at flywheel-gearbox side? Few pictures and video follows.
 
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Old Aug 20, 2024 | 03:58 AM
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Old Aug 20, 2024 | 04:04 AM
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Hereby video with clicking sound.
 
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Old Aug 20, 2024 | 11:46 AM
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One more idea - could it be cracked crankshaft?
 
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Old Aug 21, 2024 | 08:03 AM
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One long shot?
Can you do what you did in the video to make the click sound with the starter removed?
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Old Aug 21, 2024 | 05:17 PM
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What is the idea behind that? Running engine makes kind of worn piston pin knocking sound.

I am leaving tomorrow with my motorbike for a 6 day trip thus won't be able to test it sooner than end of next week.
 
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Old Aug 22, 2024 | 10:06 AM
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Just a long shot and trying to think of things that might be moving when you rock the engine back and forth.
If you suspect a piston wrist pin that might require you to drop the oil pan and check to see if anything is loose?
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Old Aug 28, 2024 | 02:46 AM
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I already dropper upper oil pan and inspected connecting rods and piston pins. All seems to be OK.
 
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Old Aug 28, 2024 | 05:21 AM
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All 8 connecting rods unplugged - could it be shaft between gearbox and engine?

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Old Aug 31, 2024 | 09:44 AM
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can you put the car in gear and make the same noise with rocking the prop? It looks like damaged splines on the transmission?
 
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