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Old Oct 11, 2019 | 03:43 AM
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Been hunting around for the bushes for the top mount for the front suspension shock (the orange crumbly bit!) but seem to be drawing a blank. Thought it would be an easy find from the posts here.

Anyone got a link to a UK source? I've got adaptive suspension if that makes any difference?
 
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Old Oct 11, 2019 | 07:12 AM
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I found them only here: https://www.resuspension.com/bump-st...-puck-red.html. There is no picture of the bush on this website (from which I bought) but there is a picture of the same bush on this (rip-off) site: https://www.discountbandit.com/re-su...n-puckred.html.
 
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Old Oct 11, 2019 | 09:40 AM
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When searching for them, use 2000 (or whatever year) Jaguar Shock tower bushings.
For example on ebay.uk...
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/18-14-641...YAAOSwA29Y4IJO ...and there were a couple more listings.
 
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Old Oct 11, 2019 | 11:02 AM
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High horse, are you saying that adaptive and normal suspensions have the same top bit?

mnc2169 af & be are the same?
 
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Old Oct 11, 2019 | 01:48 PM
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You state your looking for bushings, not the top bit. The new shock assembly should come with new extended nuts. That ebay source will save you time and cussing pressing out and in the pins. With that you only need to slap the new one on.
 
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Old Oct 11, 2019 | 04:41 PM
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Apologies, when I say top bit I mean item 8 in the picture below.

Is that bit the same for both types of suspension? It has different references in the catalogue, "af" versus "be"


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Old Oct 11, 2019 | 05:54 PM
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Yes, the mounting plate will be the same, it's just the diameter of the bushing that's different to allow for the ever-so-slightly larger diameter of the shaft on the CATS shock. But the plate itself is the same.
 
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Old Oct 11, 2019 | 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by chris-jag
Is that bit the same for both types of suspension? It has different references in the catalogue, "af" versus "be".
You will not be able to use the "AF" unless you machine (enlarge) the centre hole to 12 mm (the non-adaptive version hole is smaller but I don't know the diameter). "BE" is the right top mount for the adaptive suspension. You can get it from a Jag parts supplier (expensive) or you can buy four bushes and replace the old ones (as what I did).
 
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Old Oct 13, 2019 | 04:27 PM
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Crazy but true: the only bushes I can find are in America, but no shipping to UK.

So I guess I had better order the non adaptive fitting and drill a 12mm hole right the way through.

Although I did the rubber bushes available for the X300 - maybe that's worth trying for size.
 
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Old Oct 13, 2019 | 06:41 PM
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It is very easy to drill a slightly larger hole in the front shock mounts..................much, much cheaper and easier to buy the L&R mounts than messing around with pressing separate bushings
 
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Old Dec 5, 2019 | 08:07 PM
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https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/...ock+mount,7572

I'm trying to buy new shocks and shock mounts for my '99 XJ8 Vanden Plas.

I see they come with and without "Adaptive Control System" varieties.

I don't really know what that means, how do I know what my car has? (1999 XJ8 VDP)

Is the answer dependent on what kind of shocks I have equipped, meaning that I need to match my shock absorber and shock mount purchases?

Thanks!
 
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Old Dec 5, 2019 | 08:49 PM
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There's actually 3 variances...comfort, sport and CATS.

Comfort, ...softer ride, casual driving, usually fitted on NA VDP models ...wherever you order these from, they should ask for your VIN to verify fitment....same goes for Sport.
Sport, ...a bit firmer, sportier ride...tend to be found on R models.
CATS, ...Computer Active Technology Suspension....simply look at the front shock towers, if you have a plastic cap and a wire going to the top of the shock mount, you have this. This is an active system vs the other 2 which are passive. When Sport mode is engaged, the shocks are a bit firmer and cornering can be attacked more aggressively. When the Sport mode is off, you return to a softer saloon ride.

You'll almost assuredly need new dampers for the rear, no matter the shock, so don't forget those.
Are your front tower bushings in good condition? ...or are they crumbling? There are premade units available now where you just swap them out. Saves the headache of pressing them like I (and many here) had done.
 
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Old Dec 5, 2019 | 09:04 PM
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Thanks for the response. I've got Sport Mode on my VDP but I know exactly what the dampers/bushings look like and there is no wiring to them so we can rule out "Adaptive Control System" / "CATS" variant of the shock mounts.

The only place that has all the mounts currently in stock is partsgeek.com. They're "Meyle" brand which I've seen mentioned on some of the Shock mount replace threads. $30. Does anyone have anything to say abt the brand and vendor?

https://www.partsgeek.com/ss/?i=1&ss...+mount&x=0&y=0

Yes the front mounts are crumbling and generate a rattle that has gotten worse.

I'm also thinking that at 120K miles I need to replace the shocks, so I'm in the market for those as well. My diagnosis is literally only backed by my novice intuition though.

Rock auto lists Sensen models for $13 a piece. The OEM Billsteins are $100 and I can't justify it unless the sensen's will not fit.

https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo...355880&jsn=901

I bet you're right and I need to replace the rear mounts but I'm gonna hold off. There's no rattle back there and I'm a total novice at car repair. Maybe if this goes well I'll take a swing at that, any input appreciated!
 
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Old Dec 6, 2019 | 03:39 PM
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Well, as a novice, you'll want to replace those dampers, its not a fun area to get into, so doing it all at once would be easier.
I'm partial to the Bilstein's, other than a quality shock, they are OEM. Haven't seen too many folks rave about Koni either, have seen complaints they don't perform.

I've never dealt with or heard of Sensen's before. Just remember, these are all steel body cars. They carry some weight, so weigh your choices.
Here's some towers on ebay at a reasonable price, though I don't have experience with them, I know other folks here have used them. https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...r&_sacat=33590
 
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Old Dec 6, 2019 | 04:35 PM
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I'm pretty sure the mount I linked above from partsgeek.com includes a new rubber bushing but I called and they couldn't tell me. I'm judging just off the picture. I just ordered them and they come next week, I'll see how this goes.
 
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Old Dec 6, 2019 | 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Louisiana
I'm pretty sure the mount I linked above from partsgeek.com includes a new rubber bushing but I called and they couldn't tell me. I'm judging just off the picture. I just ordered them and they come next week, I'll see how this goes.
The top mounts come complete with the bushes you see on the picture. The bushes are not really separable from the mount plate, they are press-locked in position by the centre bush but they can be taken out and replaced, with a bit of work. However, the original bushes are not separately available.

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CATS, ...Computer Active Technology Suspension....simply look at the front shock towers, if you have a plastic cap and a wire going to the top of the shock mount, you have this. This is an active system vs the other 2 which are passive. When Sport mode is engaged, the shocks are a bit firmer and cornering can be attacked more aggressively. When the Sport mode is off, you return to a softer saloon ride.
The CATS system is not activated by the "Sport" mode which only changes the gearbox shift points to be at higher rpm. The CATS is activated (firmer shocks) by the accelerometers in three cases: on harder cornering (additional anti-roll function), on harder braking to reduce the "nose dive" and on uneven roads causing "bouncing" of the car. In addition, the CATS keeps the absorbers at firm setting at speeds up to about 5 mph.

 
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Old Oct 30, 2020 | 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Highhorse
There's actually 3 variances...comfort, sport and CATS.

Comfort, ...softer ride, casual driving, usually fitted on NA VDP models ...wherever you order these from, they should ask for your VIN to verify fitment....same goes for Sport.
Sport, ...a bit firmer, sportier ride...tend to be found on R models.
CATS, ...Computer Active Technology Suspension....simply look at the front shock towers, if you have a plastic cap and a wire going to the top of the shock mount, you have this. This is an active system vs the other 2 which are passive. When Sport mode is engaged, the shocks are a bit firmer and cornering can be attacked more aggressively. When the Sport mode is off, you return to a softer saloon ride.

You'll almost assuredly need new dampers for the rear, no matter the shock, so don't forget those.
Are your front tower bushings in good condition? ...or are they crumbling? There are premade units available now where you just swap them out. Saves the headache of pressing them like I (and many here) had done.

hey y’all hope everyone doing well Iam sorry for disturbing y’all I got my 1999 vdp with 62k on it my mechanic told me I need a upper left control arm and also the front suspension that come with adaptive control and I can only find the oem and they are very expensive 300$ to $500 each. Wanna known if I can switch tjem
with the regular without adaptive control or if not where can I those with it less than those price thanks 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
 
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