Well if you going to break down...wanting to leave the year with a bang... might as well be an expensive one... took the car in for it's oil change, and had them check the


oh please let it be a heat shield rattle ?


coming from under the hood.... and my fears were confirmed, it's the timing chain sliders that are shot...on my 99 xjr. 99,000km on it...


Well at least the weather is warm being stranded in Florida is not so bad.



Happy New Year ... let 2016 be a breakdown free year for all us Jag owners

 

So, why in the world would you be in Florida with a car you did not KNOW the tensioners were changed in? Yeah, I know. Your car is low mileage, had good oil, driven lightly

With luck you have not jumped timing which is a likely result when for these failures.

Sorry about busting your chops, but maybe your experience will help others!

 

I have receipt showing Jaguar Dealer changed the tensioners at 73,000km , but cheating on these cars and only doing upper tensioners and not doing sliders as well is only a temp bandage.


So hopefully yes others learn from this.

 

So you snow birds are the reason I see so many Jaguars in Ft Lauderdale from November to April!!

 

Frank,

Very sorry to hear about your breakdown. I hope you can enjoy the warm weather and sunshine and that the repairs won't be terribly expensive. Please keep us informed.

Cheers,

Don

 

Godspeed sir.

 

Welcome to Florida sir, I as well express sorrow to you. Albeit you have an tough issue, at least your cheerful for the most part. If your in Lauderdale (most Canadians go there or the Keys) go to Coconuts by the Swimming Hall of Fame and kick back. Sunday morning mimosa's will take some of the edge off the costs.

 

Nope hiding out in Fort Myers ... but all is good, and it part of owning one of these cats.


Just a shame to see the sliders let go only after approx. 12,000 miles after Jaguar did the tensioners. I'm getting everything changed, including the tensioners with 12,000 miles on them. If it's going to be opened up everything going to be new.

 

I suppose your current problem is the primaries. At least with them, it seldom, if ever, jumps timing. Sorry about your misfortune bit at least you are warm, with a good excuse to stay over.

 

First off I have to make a correction, It was not a Jag dealer, but a British Import specialist shop that did the work 20,000km ago. I was told it been done by a deal and assumed that it was a dealer, when I checked on line I found out I was mis informed about who had done the secondary tensioners.


That said .... the problem I got is the secondary tensioners again... the bolts had been over tightened stripped and the tensioners were loose and banging around that was what the rattle was.


So car is apart, and they are going to tap the heads and put all the new parts in since it's all apart, and we have a complete timing kit.


The crack pulley bolt was cross threaded, and we are waiting on a new one to be delivered tomorrow.


This shop has been great so far, keeping me well in formed, and except for the added wait for a part of two, I have no complaints so far.


Hopefully I'll get it back tomorrow afternoon, and give you guys the final update.

 

Crank pulley cross threaded? Did the referenced indy shop replace the primary tensioners? Otherwise there would be no reason to remove the crank pulley bolt.

Really not believable.

That throws everything else into question.

 

Yes, like did the present shop cross thread it? And were the secondary threads stripped 20K ago and just showed up now, or did this shop screw that up also?

 

This car has had the secondary changed, and 2 years later there is another bill for the front being pulled apart for oil seals, from same place.

So it has been apart before.

 

A cross threaded crank bolt means that the CRANK SHAFT has been comprised. Finer definition required.

 

Who was the original shop in Ontario?

 

Wow, it sounds like they used the original tensioner bolts on the new ones. The new ones are shorter. Buffoons.

 

Car is back have attached the photos of the secondary tensioner that was the main problem. The sliders showed some wear as did the original primary tensioners. A complete timing kit was installed. So everything is now new.


The guys at Expert Automotive and Marine LLC here in Cape Coral Florida, were great to deal with. I would recommend Matt and his crew and I'll go back in the future if I need work done down here.


They worked with the extended care warrantee I had, and made the entire job stress free. Thanks again to Matt and his crew.


To answer the question who in Ontario did the work before..


Now these Tensioners were changed 26,000km ago by Cullingford Motors in Barrie Ontario in 2009. The car had 73,000km at the time.


Three years later in 2012, at 77,000km they put all new oil seals in.
Now there is a gap of 3 years after that, before I bought the car. So I can not say that it was or was not tampered with after Cullingford Motors did the original repairs, but I would say it highly unlikely. I know I would not take any of my toys to them.


Happy to have my baby back

 

What happened to those mounting holes?? Is it me or did somebody drill wider holes into there to remove the tensioners? I do see the wear on the slides though.

 

Your right Addicted2boost, those tensioners have been modified, but I think to fit stripped threads and thus fit larger bolts. You can see the thread marks on the first pic where they didn't drill it out large enough. Mr Teaser is correct to never go to those guys to fix his baby.
Hopefully the mechanics MrTeaser used and said fixed the problem, did so by fixing the oversized holes. There are only 2 ways I know to fix that without replacing the heads and one is to weld it, redrill it and tap it....the other is a threaded block insert.

 

WOW. Any wrench that did such crap work would NEVER touch even my car keys again, let alone anything that required more than 2 brain cells firing in unison to figure out.

Glad to hear that, regardless of being a ways from home, it's all good.

Thread inserts (helicoils or timeserts) are a time-tested repair. If they're good enough for cylinder base studs on aircraft engines (where the implications of failure are a bit more serious), then I'm thinking if they did have to drill, tap, and go the insert route, you'll be ok for a long time to come (if that's what they had to do...).

That's always the problem with aluminium components...especially if the threads are fine pitch and shallow...easy to fail by pulling out.

But it sounds like you're well and truly taken care of. Lifting a glass to your ride and many happy motoring years ahead!

(Mine has developed a coolant leak somewhere...backed her out of the drive and noted a dark stain and small puddle of orange...off to the wrench to find the issue while I'm in Dallas next week)