Throttle body prob
#21
You wouldn't necessarily get codes if the cat was blocked.
Something is giving -ve fuel trims - the upstream O2 sensor is seeing too little O2 so it's trying to reduce fuel.
This either means a stuck injector (which would be unlikely since it is both banks) or back pressure.
I don't see how the TB would cause this but if you swap it we will see.
#24
Your other option is to have the one you have rebuilt. This is a link to my rebuild and the company. Are you sure it is a TB problem?
Link JagRepair.com - Jaguar Repair Information Resource
Link JagRepair.com - Jaguar Repair Information Resource
#28
It totally makes sense, I just wondered if an intermittent connection could cause fuel to be sent erratically and cause bad readings. You are probably right though, just thinking out loud. Sometimes gets me into trouble.
#29
#30
Can the problem be provoked by flooring it stationary against the brakes? If so, what do the instantaneous OBD readings say?
Also, does it misbehave all the way up the rev range or just in the midrange? For example if you gently bring it up to say 5000rpm in a low gear, then floor it, does it still stutter?
The first item in Jag's diagnostic flowchart for hesitation problems is EGR valve. A bad EGR valve can cause -ve LTFT too. Is your EGR known to be good? That flowchart's been posted somewhere here, by the way, probably by jlombardi.
You refer to the throttle flap not moving when you push the pedal, but say that's with the key off. That's normal. The flap is electrically controlled, not connected to the cable - it won't work with the ignition off.
Also, does it misbehave all the way up the rev range or just in the midrange? For example if you gently bring it up to say 5000rpm in a low gear, then floor it, does it still stutter?
The first item in Jag's diagnostic flowchart for hesitation problems is EGR valve. A bad EGR valve can cause -ve LTFT too. Is your EGR known to be good? That flowchart's been posted somewhere here, by the way, probably by jlombardi.
You refer to the throttle flap not moving when you push the pedal, but say that's with the key off. That's normal. The flap is electrically controlled, not connected to the cable - it won't work with the ignition off.
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#35
Vac leak's inconstent with -ve LTFT, but I can't think offhand what else would cause sucking noises.
Sorry, just assumed all US cars had them. Red herring.
Sorry, just assumed all US cars had them. Red herring.
#36
coastaljag98
Here is the throttle body part numbers and vin ranges:
Per the JEPC (parts catalog) here are the throttle body part#:
now C2A1470EK (C2A1470) - Vin Range from 812317 to 853925 (AJ26) $1189 new
now C2A1444 - Vin Range 853926 to F59525 (AJ27) without supercharger $1904 new
now C2A1445 - Vin Range F00035 to F59525 (AJ27) with supercharger $1720 new.
Jim Lombardi
Here is the throttle body part numbers and vin ranges:
Per the JEPC (parts catalog) here are the throttle body part#:
now C2A1470EK (C2A1470) - Vin Range from 812317 to 853925 (AJ26) $1189 new
now C2A1444 - Vin Range 853926 to F59525 (AJ27) without supercharger $1904 new
now C2A1445 - Vin Range F00035 to F59525 (AJ27) with supercharger $1720 new.
Jim Lombardi
Last edited by jimlombardi; 03-13-2013 at 10:41 PM.
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#38
You probably haven't got a vacuum leak, that would give +ve FTs (this is counter-intuitive I know, you'd think the extra air would lower the trims but the O2 sensor sees more O2 than it expects - O2 flow was measured in the MAFS BEFORE the leak - and bungs in more fuel to try for stoichiometry).
The only scenario involving a leak I can suggest is leak>too much fuel>cats damaged and what you're seeing now is back pressure from blown cats.
I don't know (apart from dismantling) how to check your cats.
The only scenario involving a leak I can suggest is leak>too much fuel>cats damaged and what you're seeing now is back pressure from blown cats.
I don't know (apart from dismantling) how to check your cats.
#39