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Old Jan 18, 2013 | 03:09 PM
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Hello members!!!! newbie confused..I must be a man who likes pain. Ive owned a lotus and now a jaguar..lol I changed my oil last night in my 1992 sovereign (not my first time) The vehicle ran fine before I changed the oil. I had a little trouble with a tight oil filter but got her off. After completing the job I tried to start the vehicle and it starts, revs high then dies. I have tried to do this several times. I can keep the car running if I feather the gas pedal but she sputters and backfires. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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Old Jan 18, 2013 | 04:44 PM
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Just a suggestion but the throttle position sensor is located on the bottom of the throttle body just above the oil filter so is it possible you interfered with it or its wiring harness when strong armin' the filter off? That would cause the problems you describe for sure!
 
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Old Jan 18, 2013 | 04:51 PM
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is that the "red" unit below the throttle body. the wiring looks ok but I was fooling around that area. Is the wiring a plug in or hard mount? If you know
 
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Old Jan 18, 2013 | 04:52 PM
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THank you very much for the imput
 
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Old Jan 18, 2013 | 05:52 PM
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Michael:
Has the check engine light come on since this problem began? And, if so, what codes are being shown by the Vehicle Control Monitor (VCM)? You can check that by turning the car off, switching the key to position II (without starting) and pressing the VCM button. A code should then appear on the display. Report back!
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Old Jan 18, 2013 | 06:34 PM
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No engine light. no vcm codes. very confusing
 
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Old Jan 18, 2013 | 07:00 PM
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is that the "red" unit below the throttle body. the wiring looks ok but I was fooling around that area. Is the wiring a plug in or hard mount? If you know
Yes, that's it. I haven't taken mine off (yet) so I can't say how it's wired up, no doubt there are some archived threads that'll talk about it, but if you hang on I'm sure one of the other guys on here will have some advice on it.

I do know the TPS is a sensitive component in the air intake system and a damaged/maladjusted/dirty one would cause all sorts of running problems.
 
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Old Jan 20, 2013 | 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by vb208
is that the "red" unit below the throttle body. the wiring looks ok but I was fooling around that area. Is the wiring a plug in or hard mount? If you know
It is hard wired into the TPS, it is held on by 2 8mm bolts, attached to the bottom of the throttle housing. If they move a mm it will play havoc with your idle. If they are moved out of position a little too much it will trigger a CE.
If your engine is racing up and down it's your TPS. All of us that own Jags have dealt with this at sometime or other. They get jammed up with oil, that leaks from above. If you remove the throttle housing and such you will see. Be sure to mark the position of the 8mm bolts prior to taking it off.
 
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Old Jan 21, 2013 | 02:21 PM
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I hope this can help guide you a little more.
 
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Old Jan 21, 2013 | 03:52 PM
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Dude, you're a stud! Where are you getting all these illustrations?!

Huge thanks!
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Old Jan 21, 2013 | 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by MidwestJag
Dude, you're a stud! Where are you getting all these illustrations?!

Huge thanks!
Scott
As a professional journalist I don't have to reveal my sources.

lol/j/k I have the manuals, it just takes forever to look them up and scan them.
 
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Old Jan 21, 2013 | 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by mrtalkradio
As a professional journalist I don't have to reveal my sources.

lol/j/k I have the manuals, it just takes forever to look them up and scan them.
Hey I don't mean to steal any of your glory George, but Bob Gauff (Motorcarman) uploaded a manual to this forum that has all the illustrations in high res (and a whole lot more) - everyone should get a copy!

(find it in the files downloads area)
It's called S91_AJ6 4.0 Engine Management.pdf
 
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Old Jan 21, 2013 | 10:54 PM
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Yes, thanks Lawrence - LOTS of great stuff there! I just spent an hour reading old TSB's. What a strange hobby we have...
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Old Jan 21, 2013 | 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by MidwestJag
I just spent an hour reading old TSB's.
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Only an hour?
 
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Old Jan 22, 2013 | 06:21 PM
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Thank you, I have been swamped at work and will begin tackling this Saturday!!!!!! Guess I will work at home until then...LOL
 
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Old Jan 29, 2013 | 09:38 AM
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Finally had time and removed the throttle body and removed the TPS. There
is a lot of oil where the TPS attaches to the throttle body. Cleaned everything. Is there a way to determine if the TPS was knocked out of position? Should I just loosen the bolts and turn the TPS while someone feathers the throttle? Should I just buy a new TPS? I replaced the fuel filter and the fuel pump is delivering fuel, so I know it is not one of those two problems. Thank you everyone, you all have been great !!!
 
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Old Jan 29, 2013 | 10:20 AM
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mrtalkradio's illustration above explains the functionality of the TPS and there are instructions for setting it up in the engine management.pdf mentioned earlier.

If you have a multimeter and a feeler gauge, you can calibrate it properly - it doesn't look too difficult.
If I were you, I'd clean out and decarbonize the throttle body first, then refit it to the car to calibrate the TPS.
The TPS is basically a volume control, like on a radio. The TPS translates the throttle butterfly position (mechanical) into a variable electrical signal that the ECU can understand (so it knows how open the throttle butterfly is). The base setting at idle is 0.6v. with the throttle butterfly set with the feeler gauge. If the TPS is working correctly your multimeter readings should increase and decrease smoothly between the min and max ranges (noted in the .pdf) as you open and close the throttle.
 
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Old Jan 29, 2013 | 08:27 PM
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This is why I keep coming back to these forums. I learn something new every time. Thanks for the helpful comments.
 
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Old Jan 30, 2013 | 10:42 AM
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Any particular feeler gauge size? I did not read that anywhere. Thank you
 
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Old Jan 30, 2013 | 11:21 AM
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Sorry I was mistaken, the feeler gauge info isn't in the .pdf, it's in Haynes, Section 4-11.
If you don't have a copy you really should get one or download the Haynes .pdf

Adjustment (copied and pasted from Haynes)


17 Remove the air intake duct to expose the throttle body and butterfly valve.
18 Make sure the throttle body is clean and free of burrs, nicks or carbon build-up.
19 Measure the clearance between the butterfly valve (throttle plate) and the wall of
the throttle body. It should be 0.05 mm (0.002 inch).20
If the gap is incorrect, loosen the throttle stop locknut and turn the throttle stop screw until the correct clearance is attained.
21 Refit the air intake duct and surrounding components.

The procedure is also illustrated in the book.

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